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6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011/2012

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by belle1, Mar 8, 2010.

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  1. keith6233

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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011


    I think you should look at who was on the board of trustees at the time so while Alan Bloom was the face of Bressingham who was advising him.

    It also cost the head of the NRM is job, who left with a gagging order unable to speak about it
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    How pedantic do you want to be? In 1968, there were only two standard gauge preserved lines that had re-opened and were running regular passenger services...Middleton was still primarily a freight operation at that stage. Besides, even today the Middleton couldn't accomodate 6100, 6233 or 70013! And note that I said preserved lines rather than steam centres. The point is, in the 1960s there weren't many places where SG engines were regularly accessible to the public. Bressingham helped to fill that gap.
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    I'm sorry that I was a bit petulant with my last comment. I think though that it is a disservice to other fledgling SG centres at that time - the Chasewater, the SVR, the Foxfield and the GWS amongst - to consider them unmentionable in the context of 1968.
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    Severn Valley Railway, Dinting Railway Centre, storage at York Shed, Leeds Neville Hill, etc, just to mention those within driving distance then - the world wasn't quite so unsympathetic before the steam ban was lifted
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    That is a very good point, Alan bloom was just the "face" i should think the real power was with the trustees , why else was it so hard to remove 70013, was David Ward a trustee at this time? because he was very instumental in 70013 going to Bressingham in the first place . getting onto the ex Butlins engines, were they gifted to Bressingham or did they have to buy them, Did 6233 and 6201 get sold to Bressingham before going to the midland trust,
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    Carnforth must have been around because they managed to get a (temporary) injunction preventing the movement of one or both of 6233/6100 to Bressingham.
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    I didn't mean to portray those places as "unmentionable", and I'm sorry if my post came across that way. I just wanted to emphasise how much smaller the SG scene was then than it is today. Of the places you and Frank list, probably ony Didoct could have provided the big engines with secure undercover storage - and would they have wanted them, since they were not Great Western? It's well recorded that many of the sheds BR stored National Collection engiens at in the '60s were not very secure, they were not open to the public, and at the time one no-one was certain that BR wouldn't simply turn round and order the whole lot to be scrapped. In those circumstances, Bressingham was by far the better home for these engines. I just don't understand how a man who founded a preservation centre can be so demonised by railways enthusiasts!
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    Most will agree that that Bressingham was a good place for the locos at the time - under cover accommodation and accessible to the general public.It was during the 90's when he and/or the trustees considered the loan permanent that upset enthusiasts.
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    6201 was never sold to Bressingham being bought by the owning society direct from BR

    6100 , 6233 and 6203 were all sold to Butlins and were on display at Skegness, Ayr and Minehead respectively

    During the 1970's these were moved on loan to new homes , 6100 & 6233 to Bressingham and 6203 to Butterley . When Butlins wished to dispose of the engines the current locations got first refusal so both 6100 and 6233 were I believe bought by Bressingham
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    Martin, 6203 went to Pwllheli not Minehead. It was towed along the North Wales Coast line and down to Pwllheli by Ivatt 4 43052.
    It was 6229 that went to Minehead.
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    6203 was at Pwllheli. It was 6229 which was at Butlins Minehead, and subsequently went on loan to (I think) the Friends of the NRM, before being bought by the NRM. There were also four smaller locos - 32640 at Pwllheli (now IOWSR), 32678 at Minehead (now KESR), 30102 at Skegness and 32662 at Ayr (both now Bressingham).
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    Edit: beaten to the punch
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    ... and came back via Barmouth Bridge bridge (eeek!) behind a Class 25
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    Did anyone get a photo?
     
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    There was one in one of the steam mags a couple of months ago, possibly Heritage Railway? It was a popular story that it was the weight of the loco that activated the Marine worm that nearly brought about the demise of Barmouth bridge.
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    There was an article in Railway Magazine with pictures, I don't have my copies here so I can't give an exact month.
     
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    Ahhh, conspiracy theories...don't you just love them? ;)
     
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    Just like a 'B' Si Fi film, heavy train rumbles over old bridge, wakes up sea monster that has been lying undisturbed for a couple of million years..............
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    Doh ! you are of course right and i knew that . the move is covered in detail in the book on 46203 by Brian Radford (iirc)
     
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    Re: 6100 Royal Scot..Progress 2010/2011

    I'm not denying the size or situation of most of the SG centres at that time precluded them from accommodating large engines - although in fairness the KWVR had 46115 Scots Guardsman stored for a time, and in the early 70s the SVR had 70000 Britannia - I'm just saying that there were an awful lot more centres of SG steam operation in 1968 than your post suggested.
     
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