6100 Royal Scot

Here is a picture I have found of Scot minus driving axles http://simonsrailwaypics.fotopic.net/p63051328.html

 

A sad and frustrating sight.

 

How come Bressingham havent launched any kind of public appeal for funds for the locomotive ?

I'm sure if they did people would put hands in pockets ?

After all everyone wants to see the engine work... don't you ?

 

at least its being done and once Crewe are happy its right then lets hope she turns out to be trouble free, of course, in a perfect world she should have been right straight out of the box, like 99% of restorations , i accept you get small snaggs when running in, but not anything of the saga that we have all seen so far, i have never heard of a newly restored engine needing attension to the driving wheel sets and motion unless anyone can tell me otherwise?

i feel that there should be a full investigation caried out as to what went wrong and why, or are the owners happy with the way things are, after all its not about the people at southall, its about why systems and standards seem on the face of it to be not in place to make best use of vast sums spent for the standard of work carried out
most may i remind being from the lottery fund and members of the Bressingham trust

 

So with all these problems the loco should be in steam longer than the 7-10 year ticket I'd have thought.

 

Reported by the railway herald ( http://www.railwayherald.org/ ) that 6100 is likely to move to Tyseley around April and is unlikely to go to the GCR for running in

 

I disagree with your statement that "no one bar one" wants to see 6100 in its current livery. It may upset the purists but there are many who aren't that bothered about the colour. A couple of mates put in many hours on her and the choice of colour didn't worry them one jot. All they wanted was to see the loco running again. I stand to be proved wrong but I'll wager that her first main line tour will be a sell out. When you've got your head out of the window and the loco's in main valve at 45% cut off, the colour is irrelevant IMHO.

 

nope, she will still have to be re examined once she has done 7 years on the main line or 10 on a private line , and thats from the date the boiler is passed , not her first steaming

As for the paint job, i would prefer it it she was re painted into proper LMS marroon, or better black at some stage, if i am honest i dont agree with the fire engine red on an engine that was rebuilt ,if you are going to have an incorrect livery at least make it believable , it would be like painting Port Line in full southern malachite green with sunshine lettering

 

Hear hear ! So that's at least three of us then .....

 

I personally do bother a bit about livery, but in an anti-brunswick manner. I don't like it if young generations or enthusiasts only get to see the large majority of steam locos in Brunswick or Black because the purists have got their way again or because some older enthusiasts are being selfish and want to see a loco how they remember it. As I've said in the 4472 thread, I'm all for livery diversity. I don't want two Scots in the same livery, can we not have one in Crimson Lake to contrast with 46115 and not have identical twins?

I know this is controversial, but inauthentic liveries are fine. If the livery is the wrong period for the condition, i.e. tapered boiler & crimson lake or double chimney and deflectors in Apple Green, then it's acceptable. It's showing the public a colour scheme they would not have seen if the purists had got their way again. Although if it's glaringly wrong like painting Tangmere in Crimson Lake then that's just silly.

 

As a GWR enthusiast I'm not so "au fait" with LMS locomotive histories and liveries (but I have learned much from this forum - thanks!) so I'd appreciate any corrections if I'm wrong. However, as I understand it, from the arguments on this subject, 6100 is a rebuilt Royal Scot and, since its rebuild took place after the LMS ceased to exist, it can only carry the BR "Brunswick Green" livery to be an accurate representation of what it would have looked like in service. 46110, Scots Guardsman, on the other hand, is in exactly the correct livery for its condition. I have seen both locomotives and, since I never saw them in LMS or BR service I have no real axe to grind from that viewpoint. Having seen video footage and photographs of these locos in service however, it does strike me that 6100 is finished in a very bright shade of LMS maroon and it just doesn't look "right" (many more qualified than I agree of course). I presume that if 6100 was retro-designed to have a Fowler boiler etc etc then the LMS maroon livery would be fine - is that correct? Whilst just to see these locos running in action is fine reward (well it will be when 6100 is fixed) I must admit that I don't think it tells "the truth". It's almost cheating in my view because its playing with time. Maybe playing with time is what makes heritage railways so good! One thing's for certain, 6100's colour has clearly attracted the gremlins - is it cursed (like wot 4472 is?!)?

 

I think at the stage 6100 is at we need not worry about what colour it is. It has lost a year of running due to various problems. Even though I know very little when it comes to liveries, I agree it doesn't look right but I think now we should support everyone involved in 6100 in getting her running, then once she is earning her keep maybe changing the shade of maroon can be adressed (I can't see her ever being painted green).

 

Make it five, let's get her running on the mainline first before we start argueing about liveries, the colour of her livery should be the last of their worries!!

 

May be not strawberry red, well here is where 6100 puts up it's argument for LMS red..

6170 Royal British Legion was built with a 2A boiler in LMS red.
6170 was built from the remains of 6399 Fury.
Parts found during the overhaul of 6100 are supposedly stamped 6399.
Therefore tentative at best.. but 6100 with a 2A boiler in LMS red is within 3 steps of the real thing.

(by comparison everyone in real life can be linked within 6 people of just about anyone else in the planet).

Ok if you wore my shoes doesnt make you Scottish.. but you can always hang on to your wallet, wear a kilt and pretend... most tourists wouldnt know.

 

If I want mythology I can go to Disneyland

If I want preservation then I will go to a Heritage Railway

When the two become mixed then "plot" and "lost" are in play.

The HLF usually insist on purity of portrayal - so what is going on here defeats me!