92214: NYMR

It'll pinch some of it again, tomorrow!!

 

While I have no problem with owners naming their engines, I have to admit that I'm not sure about 'Cock O' The North'; A name has got to look and sound right for certain locos, and 'Cock O' The' North' just dosen't (for me) work on a 9F.

Names like 'Black Prince' (brilliant name for it), 'Evening Star', 'Morning Star', they all work well on a 9F; R.A Riddles would certainly be a good name for a 9F, indeed very appropriate. If it has to have a name, then maybe we can think of somthing better like 'The Mighty Yorkshireman' for example. Can any of you come up with a better name for it?

P.S. I bet the people with the Doncaster P2 Trust must be thinking "Hay! That's our engine's name! You rotters!"

 

You're right Martin, 87022 carried the name for a while.

 

If I had to, I'd choose something a bit more industrial and relevant to the North East in the manner of 70048's name, like 'Consett Steelworks 1841-1981' (1841 because this was when William Richardson of Sunderland founded the Derwent Iron Company), particularly as the class had a long associtation with the area in the 1950s-1960s.

 

"Grosmont Goliath" would have been my choice. Invent a name rather than looking back for something. Yes, recreating and having that notsaligc view is fine if you want, its his engine, he can name it what he wants, but why always look backwards?

 

Shock and horror as pieces of brass applied to loco.

In all seriousness the pres market is a crowded one and it does help locos to be named as then they are a name rather than a number. It isn't the end of the world and I would have preferred it if it wasn't named but it isn't my choice and it is easily reverted.

m0rris

 

Nobody on here remembers that 92240 at SP was called Nelson Mandela when it first ran. It was for very un-PC reasons that I couldn't possibly divulge on here though...

Nameplates were never carried.

 

I always thought 92240 was nick-named "Leroy". Just imagine all those possible racism libel cases that could get thrown at the Bluebell had they put that name on the smoke deflectors!:smile:

 

yeah - same sort of theme really depending on what mess room you were sitting in!!!

It was the Nelson / Leroy the BBE

 

Being totally unpleasant cannot be excused. It is not PC to insist on decent behaviour even in mess rooms. If this is the sort of behaviour that goes on in Bluebell mess rooms then it just reinforces my view that I don't want anything to do with it, notwithstanding the enormous value I place on the achievements of the railway.

 

id like to see one of the Britannia's running as 70022 Tornado

 

Though I personally thought she was alright without a name, I quite frankly don't give a damn. At the end of the day, its still 92214, and I think 'Cock o' the North' is a great name, and one CERTAINLY worthy of a powerhouse like a 9f. For all those saying she SHOULDN'T have a name, there is 92219 at the MRC and 92245, where ever that got smuggled away to recently, still awaiting restoration and 92134 which could maybe do with a financial push. Restore one of them, sans name.

If the owner has paid however much for such a fine beast, I think he should be allowed to indulge himself in a name for it. Makes it more marketable to the punters, creates publicity and makes the loco a little warmer (pardon the pun). It gives the loco a certain talking point, as most people will be able to remember a name better than they can a number. Gives her a bit more identity.

I look forward to seeing that fine beast when I go to the moors this July, and the name will be welcome on my camera lens.

 

I doubt whether someone so utterly humourless and up their own bum would be welcome anyway so its your loss.

 

We also have 92212, which doesn't have a name, and it has the largest standard tender type fitted, so we do have at least one beefy 9F without embellishments.

 

"North Star"?

Ooops, no, that's been done before. Don't want to upset the GWR fans.

But, errr, so had "Evening Star". Without causing this fuss. And a good point from Mike Delamar above, "Tornado" was not a new name.

So in relation to the provenance of the name, I can't see any valid objection to Cock O' The North. To my mind, it's a bit clumsy compared to Black Prince or Tornado or Britannia or the like, but then "Earl Of Mount Edgcumbe" seems to get by OK

The public does like steam loco's to have names - I was out to see 44932 fairly recently, and a lady on the station said, oh my husband really likes to see steam trains, can you tell me which one this is so I can tell him what I saw. When I replied 44932 she looked confused and said yes but what's the name of the engine? She was very disappointed to find out it didn't have one. Mind you, I suspect her eyes might have glazed over if I'd said "17th Armoured Battalion, Worcestershire Light Infantry Reserves 1923 - 1998" or "The Institute of Public Finance and Accounting Centenary"...............

 

Please fellas, please, don't persue the PC bit. It WILL get me banned. Courteous and polite everytime, but none of the PC for me. I like a laugh too much. :lol:
Bring back the Robertsons Marmalade Golliwog.eace:

 

No chance there Victor. That was the big joke around the Bluebell when 40 first steamed twenty odd years ago. Leroy (thinking back I do remember the Leroy name as well as Nelson Mandela) was said in fun. Gordon the blue engine, Percy the green engine, Thomas the blue engine and Leroy the frickin (or similar) BIG black engine.

That is not racist in any way as there is no discrimination in any form against anyone present or not present. It was a statement. If our PC guru can define where in this statement there is discrimination or harresment or unpleasentness I would be delighted to understand and learn. Maybe he should grow up and stop looking for something that doesn't exist. This is like the scene from Life of Brian where the blasphemer was about to be stoned. He said "I had a nice bit of fish for my tea and all I said was thank Jehova!"

Mr Orion - if you are that sensitive that you cannot bear an engine to be nicknamed 'Leroy' or 'Nelson Mandela' I suggest you are seriously in the wrong hobby. Every lobby and mess room on every railway will have banter and un-PC chit chat. I would suggest that if you volunteer somewhere and then have a hissy fit at the first thing that is said in this manner you may have your membership card of Red-Wedge stuck up your clack valve!

 

Maunsell man,
I have no idea who you are but I like your style. :yo:

 

I think you have condemned yourself.