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Baldwin "Lyn" new build.

Discussion in 'Narrow Gauge Railways' started by Meiriongwril, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. ellenbee pioneer

    ellenbee pioneer New Member

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    Would be very interested where this story about a 1964 repaint came from as from my recollections of travelling on the line in 1964 and Geoff Plumb's 'Plumb Loco' website appear to show Loco Dark Green weathered and too-vigorously scrubbed - witness the Late Emblem on #8 - scrubbed off the central tank rivet lines. The coaches appear to be in malachite green! Maybe it was the coaches that were repainted in 'Cambrian bronze green'? The locos look little different from a spamcan.
    Another thing to consider was that the VoR runs East-West. Photographers would prefer the sun behind them so most photos would naturally be of the southern, sun-bleached side. This bleaching also happened to the L&B but at least they could turn the coaches at Pilton to even out the bleaching process.
     
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    30854 Part of the furniture

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    So I'm not totally losing the plot ..... That's a relief! Cheers Ray. :)
     
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    Actually, now I've had time to think about it, I believe the previous poster may be correct in that the carriages were re-painted in Cambrian bronze green but the locos remained in B.R. green until corporate blue was applied. Apologies for any confusion caused. Sometimes one's memory plays tricks over half a century!
    Cheers,
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    So what the last two pages have told me is we should paint Lyn in BR Black, or BR Blue...
     
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    Nope... LYN will be staying as it is - 1929
    Southern Railway Green - for the foreseeable future.
     
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    You beat me to the pass there JayDee. So in these days of privatisation........Porterbrook Purple:Arghh:!
     
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    An honest mistake, easily made. Not like the comments I have seen in print of '...L&B Manning Wardles in their characteristic malachite green livery with 'sunshine' lettering....' - unaware that malachite green was first used in 1938 and 'sunshine' lettering was a wartime innovation!
     
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    Which 'Southern Railway Green'? Maunsell Olive Green, Maunsell Dover Green, Bulleid Experimental Green or Malachite?
     
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    Does anyone please know how frequently L&B stock was turned? .... and how involved is moving the Jones-Calthrop coupling's "chopper" from one end to t'other?
     
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    The engine is now running at the 250 psi, with the fireman noticing a slight improvement in the performance of the engine.
     
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    ...and still the same frugal consumption of coal and water?
     
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    Maunsell Olive Green, according to my sources, as per the condition in which it returned from Eastleigh in January 1929
     
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    Or we could see what the local bus company livery is... apparently blue and white by Stagecoach? :p
     
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    You need to have a word with your sources because Maunsell Olive Green it most certainly ain't! The green is far too light, almost malachite, and the lettering too yellow( it should be primrose). If you don't believe me, look at Measured and Drawn Page 103, or, for a tenner you can buy the full 1930 paint specification for a Schools class from Precision Paints.
    I suspect someone decided the correct colour was too gloomy and opted for something prettier.
     
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    This is the trouble with colour- this is so open to interpretation, by way of the printed page, the reproduced photograph, etc etc.
    A more technically accurate description of Malachite green, is Mid- chrome Green, which is a long, long way from Lyn. Think of Blackmoor Vale on the Bluebell. that is in Malachite green, and I'm sure you'll agree the two are worlds apart. nearly every photograph I have seen of Lyn suggests that the shade of green used is all but identical to the Maunsell green used on the locomotives of the Bluebell Railway. Ditto the shade of lettering. and I would venture to suggest that the Bluebell, and particularly the Maunsell Locomotive Society, know what they are doing.
     
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    Lyn’s fuel economy is really quite remarkable. I filled up the bunker first thing a couple of weeks ago and most of it was still there at the end of the day. The loco will apparently prime if you run with more than half a glass but since it hardly uses any water that’s really not a problem. Very impressive.
     
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    Could she run some trials when she goes to the Ffestiniog to measure coal consumption and power output?

    Might make for some interesting reading
     
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    For those interested in the paint scheme, read this from 2016 (Lynformation, 42):
    "On the 6th July, Peter Miles, Jon Pain and Steve Phillips descended on AKL to review the tricky subject of the paint scheme for LYN. For those who do not know Steve Phillips, he is simply a genius! He is the author of "The Lynton and Barnstaple Railway Measured and Drawn". This is a fantastic record with detailed line drawings of all locomotives, coaches, wagons and structures of the L& B. Several years ago, Steve volunteered to do the detailed paint specification for LYN, and now we are close to applying final coats of paint, we all got together to agree the paint spec. and also to pick the most appropriate colour to use. Patrick Keef was also involved in the decision-making process, as he needs to be able to source a paint suitable for spraying. I am delighted to say that full agreement was reached swiftly, so the all-important paint specification and colours are now SORTED!"

    If the Measured and Drawn author thinks it's okay, then that's good enough for most of us.... :D
     

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