If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

Bath Spa Express, 17/08/2011

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by free2grice, Aug 15, 2011.

Page 2 of 4
  1. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2009
    Messages:
    22,591
    Likes Received:
    22,721
    Location:
    1016
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Perhaps it would have helped to turn the water feed down a bit! The video on Upton Scudamore shows it flooding out. Little wonder that the tender was emptied. Either an injector failed or someone on the footplate wasn't paying attention.
     
    Big Al, Aug 17, 2011
    #21
  2. cg

    cg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2005
    Messages:
    1,318
    Likes Received:
    247
    Gender:
    Male
    cg, Aug 17, 2011
    #22
  3. free2grice

    free2grice Part of the furniture Friend

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2005
    Messages:
    5,625
    Likes Received:
    3,615
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired Rolls-Royce engineer
    Location:
    Bath Green Park / Mangotsfield
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    The loco appeared to be running really well approaching Bath but I wonder if the problem developed soon afterwards.
    Click on the link above to see the train at Claverton.
    The train departed from Westbury 179 mins late behind a class 59 diesel loco.<BJ>
     
    free2grice, Aug 17, 2011
    #23
  4. 73129

    73129 Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2007
    Messages:
    4,547
    Likes Received:
    1,183
    Location:
    Winchester
    Reading Wessex rail gen tonight 70000 has dropped a plug and fire brigade call out to Warminster railway station.


    TA
    R Smith
     
    73129, Aug 17, 2011
    #24
  5. KEYHAMTRAIN

    KEYHAMTRAIN Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2005
    Messages:
    225
    Likes Received:
    2
    KEYHAMTRAIN, Aug 17, 2011
    #25
  6. Dan Hamblin

    Dan Hamblin Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2006
    Messages:
    2,549
    Likes Received:
    190
    Occupation:
    Rolling Stock Engineer
    Location:
    Kent
    If a fusible plug was dropped, why wasn't the fire thrown out immediately? Doesn't tally with the report that engine and support coach moved off the train under their own power at Westbury either.

    Either way I hope the loco is fit for Sunday!

    Regards,

    Dan
     
    Dan Hamblin, Aug 17, 2011
    #26
  7. 6024KEI

    6024KEI Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2006
    Messages:
    861
    Likes Received:
    475
    Location:
    Bath
    Westbury is before Scudamore (in turn just before Warminster) so as we have video of it hauling the train through there it clearly didn't come off at Westbury. The blowing safety valve on a fair climb at Upton suggests that if water was a problem, it may have been boiler water that was lacking rather than tender water - query possible injector problem. Trouble is once you get past Westbury on that run there isn't really anywhere to "pull over" and I suspect you could be OK through Westbury but in serious trouble after Upton Scudamore having used a lot of steam/water on the climb.
     
    6024KEI, Aug 17, 2011
    #27
  8. 73129

    73129 Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2007
    Messages:
    4,547
    Likes Received:
    1,183
    Location:
    Winchester
    I don't know this info came from Wessex rail gen. Maybe Roger Smith was given the wrong info and then posted it on Wessex rail gen. I'm sure we will find out what has happen in the not to distant future. If your info is right maybe her tender ran low on water which would make more sense.
     
    73129, Aug 17, 2011
    #28
  9. Rumpole

    Rumpole Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2005
    Messages:
    2,605
    Likes Received:
    890
    Occupation:
    Tea-Maker
    Location:
    34105
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Unless (working through possible scenarios) assisting loco was summoned from Westbury to bring the ensemble back down the bank from Warminster so 70000 could be removed following failure.
     
    Rumpole, Aug 17, 2011
    #29
  10. 6024KEI

    6024KEI Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2006
    Messages:
    861
    Likes Received:
    475
    Location:
    Bath
    "Shaggy" posted this on the 70000 thread.

    "I was at Warminster this afternoon soon after the alarm was raised! The Fire Brigade arrived quickly to top it up and the fire did not have to be dropped. The Traction Inspector declared it a failure to prevent any damage to the loco so hopefully the cause of its failure (injectors?) will not be serious."

    That doesn't entirely make sense either - if you knew the tender was getting low on water you'd stop at Westbury, so unless it was dumping gallons along the way, how is it needing a top up ten minutes down the line?
     
    6024KEI, Aug 17, 2011
    #30
  11. cg

    cg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2005
    Messages:
    1,318
    Likes Received:
    247
    Gender:
    Male
    cg, Aug 17, 2011
    #31
  12. 1802

    1802 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    66
    Likes Received:
    10
    Before everyone goes into overdrive I have it on authority that no fusible plug was dropped on 70000.
     
    1802, Aug 17, 2011
    #32
  13. DH34105

    DH34105 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2009
    Messages:
    454
    Likes Received:
    12
    Train arrived back at Poole about 105 minutes down with 59203 at the head - seen drifting down top of Parkstone bank at 2150

    Hope Britannia is back in as good as form as she was this morning soon and no serious damage DH
     
    DH34105, Aug 17, 2011
    #33
  14. 60017

    60017 Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2008
    Messages:
    9,103
    Likes Received:
    8,072
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired from corporate slavery :o)
    Location:
    Fylde Coast
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    So true - going great guns through Swaythling - sadly a freightliner got between the camera and 70000 - this should give some of you a chuckle! Heigh ho! such is our hobby!
     

    Attached Files:

    60017, Aug 18, 2011
    #34
  15. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2005
    Messages:
    36,449
    Likes Received:
    9,908
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired-ish, Part time rail tour steward.
    Location:
    Northwich
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    At least you could see her through the gap and salvaged something, so not 100% disaster.
     
    RalphW, Aug 18, 2011
    #35
  16. camraman

    camraman Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    649
    Likes Received:
    94
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Hemel Hempstead
    Shades of 45231 on the S&C two years ago almost to the day.
     
    camraman, Aug 18, 2011
    #36
  17. 782sirbrian

    782sirbrian Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    303
    Likes Received:
    36
    Occupation:
    Joiner
    Location:
    Sheffield, South Yorks
    I believe that time it was due to the ashpan sprinkler being left on. Water running to waste.

    Brian
     
    782sirbrian, Aug 18, 2011
    #37
  18. camraman

    camraman Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    649
    Likes Received:
    94
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Hemel Hempstead
    Correct.
     
    camraman, Aug 18, 2011
    #38
  19. 6136

    6136 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    366
    Likes Received:
    40
    Reminds me of Clan Line's problems a couple of years ago.
     
    6136, Aug 18, 2011
    #39
  20. Big Dave

    Big Dave Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2006
    Messages:
    466
    Likes Received:
    26
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Bewdley
    From my experience with road engines I'm guessing that all that steam that appears to be blowing from the injector overflow would get the injectors as hot as hell and hot injectors won't pick up.
    Might have been better to shut off the steam to the injector and let some cold water through the injectors to cool them off and then try again.
    As I say this is my own experience with road engines if the injector or the water is hot the injector won't pick up.
    This is in no way criticism of the crews merely an observation based on personal experience, usually they work ok but if they decide to play up...... well to say the least the air can get a bit blue.

    Cheers Dave
     
    Big Dave, Aug 18, 2011
    #40
Page 2 of 4

Share This Page