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Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Broomhalla, Feb 22, 2009.

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  1. lil Bear

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    http://www.6880.co.uk/wp/

    A news update of progress!
     
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    I am please to see the 6880 Betton Grange Website has today been updated with several items of news, including the November 2011 Engineering Progress.

    Betton Grange 6880
     
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    Further news updates have been added to the website, including photos of the frames being painted.

    Betton Grange 6880
     
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    Do we have any photos of the frames being blasted prior to painting?

    Bob.
     
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    Photo taken by Mick P of the Bogie Frame after it has been blasted and primed.
     

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    I meant the frames in Llangollen shed !
    The bogie frame looks a proper job.

    Bob.
     
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    What function does the 'racking plate' perform?

    Regards
     
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    It is part of the extension frame assembly.

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    Why's that not been explained. It's ok saying what's been done but surely you should explain it as not everyone who reads the website is a technical expert and understands the construction of a steam loco?
     
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    Well, if you know, why don't you explain what it is, instead of criticising.
     
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    Because I don't know fully myself, and would be interested to learn myself. I know the extension frames help support the cylinders and rest on top of the bogie, but the exact role of all the various components I do not know.

    This sort of thing is not something you see regularly on your everyday engine, and so surely whilst building a loco we should also try to educate those on all the various components. It doesn't take much to add an extra sentence or two explaining the role items perform. We used to get this from the 6880 Society up until about 3yrs ago when it all stopped.

    And what is wrong with constructive criticism? I realise the written form may seem frank, but surely there is nothing wrong with asking for a more in-depth report instead of a picture with a few lines that has quickly been put together?
     
    lil Bear, Dec 3, 2011
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    And idle thought, if they paint it black will it become a Betton noir?
     
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    Well that depends on whether the author's wife is threatening to divorce him if he spends much more time doing the bl**** steam engine website rather than fixing the drawers in the kitchen...

    There's not a hard line between constructive criticism and destructive sniping, its more of a big soggy swamp. That's why its best to try and word things so that you are a long way clear of the swamp, unnecessary though the effort might seem at the time...

    A complete guide to all the terminology used in steam engine construction would be a wonderful thing, but its far more work than you'd believe possible. I've got a little home project of writing some beginners guides to GWR locomotive classes which entails making sketches based on the GWR diagrams and writing up some covering text based on the RCTS books and various other volumes I have. Its fun to do and I'm learning shedloads (being no more than a beginner myself in these things), but a 4,000 word article with maybe a dozen sketches seems to take me about a year what with everything else I've got on...

    The other problem is that the terminology was subtly different at every works, let alone line, so you'd actually be talking about a lot of websites. There's an amusing (well it amuses me) example in Cook's "Swindon Steam". During Cook's time in the works,probably late 20s or early 30s, they changed the system of big end lubrication from the traditional way of having yarn trimmings to a new system involving felt pads. It was vitally important that drivers shouldn't be able to put the traditional trimmings into the new style bearings, so they put a plug in the bearing which was designed to let any amount of oil through but make it completely impossible to put a trimming in. They called it a restrictor.

    Anyway an ex Swindon apprentice had gone to work at the LMS, and later visited Swindon again. He told one of his former colleagues that they were living in a fool's paradise - they had done tests at the LMS and found that the restrictor didn't alter the flow of oil at all. He was told hat it wasn't intended to: it was there to restrict some fool from putting in a trimming...

    Could be worse - if she got the Olton Hall gig she could become Betton Rouge
     
    Jimc, Dec 3, 2011
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    Maybe it could be because they're not 100% sure themselves. Is it best to give a wrong answer and mislead people, or to give no answer at all??

    Why is it members, or ex members of 6880 that are kicking off again?
     
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    I suppose, looking at the drawing above, the cylinders sit on the extension frames. And what generally sits underneath these on a western 4-6-0?? That could be the purpose of that plate?
     
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    Thanks for that.

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    Not sure of the GWR terminology, but on an LMS or Standard loco I reckon it would be termed as a frame stretcher onto which is bolted the bogie pivot pin.
     
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