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Brighton Atlantic: 32424 Beachy Head

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Maunsell man, Oct 20, 2009.

  1. andrewshimmin

    andrewshimmin Well-Known Member

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    Looking really good. Will be brilliant to have a working Atlantic again, such an aesthetically pleasing balanced looking wheel arrangement.
    Even in LNWR livery... (obligatory swerve off topic into livery debate).
     
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    This project just continues to impress, I can feel a trip to Sussex coming on...
     
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    Superb work yet again. She always looks stunning in the pics. A couple of questions. Do you have a tender for her? And was the super heatercasting done from a poly pattern? Just that it mentions premier patterns.

    Cheers Gav.
     
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    Re the tender: there was some discussion starting on post 379 on the previous page, but in short, there is an underframe that came from a tender that ran behind a B4; and a set of wheels and axle boxes that came from a C2X. That basically gives a significantly complete underframe; the tender tank and bunker is due to be assembled on site, but will probably be one of the last things to do.

    If you look at the top photo in the latest update, you can see the tender underframe in front of the boiler (http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/b...c/apics16/marking_table_fredb1880_2mar16h.jpg) There are also some old photos here: http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/~uhaa009/bb/locos/NEWS/news_01928_6.html, here: http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/~uhaa009/bb/pics/atlantic.html and here: http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/~uhaa009/bb/locos/NEWS/news_02328_6.html

    With regard the superheater: originally a wooden pattern was made, but that was damaged in trying to make the first casting, which couldn't be used. Subsequently, a drawing was done on CAD; my assumption is that this was then used directly to make a poly pattern.

    Tom
     
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    LNWR livery in the correct shade of course, that would be Blackberry Black wouldn't it?

    Cheers,

    Alan
     
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    She will look great in lined black (almost everything does, although I prefer to see variety myself), and Southern green (any) and Brighton umber (even if not strictly right configuration).
    Very impressive work all coming together now.
     
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    ?????? LNWR livery on a Brighton Atlantic ??????
    Am I missing something here, I thought Beachy Head was going into British Railways lined black livery.
    I have seen the latest updates too, very lovely, very sweet.
     
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    A certain amount of jesting is taking place - BR lined black is the same style (lining etc) as the LNWR passenger livery.

    Tom
     
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    I call it "Riddles Revenge" - the Derby dominated early LMS painted Crewe's pride and joy red, so Mr Riddles, Crewe man through and through, got BR to paint everything LNWR livery, including the Midland Compounds...
    Anyway, apologies for drift, the Atlantic will look great however it is painted.
     
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    S.A.C. Martin Part of the furniture

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    The Brighton Atlantic boys continue to impress. We are spoiled in preservation as enthusiasts by a select group of very able and very determined people. More power to their elbows and may the rest of us join them in due course.
     
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    Ahhhhh, Riddles, the man of BR standard locomotives who in one single stroke put locomotive construction back by 50 years by carrying on with victorian riveting instead of welding, who also went back to to dimly lit cabs and oil lamps after electricity was tried and produced by the locomotive, oh yes, and was him that also went back to using copper fire boxes instead of steel which are better and stronger? Yes he designed some lovely late Steamers, but why oh why go back to using practices that was going out with Noah's ark?
     
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    Basically because they worked. The Standards were introduced during the austerity years following World War II, when materials were scarce and labour even more so. The idea of the Standards was to maintain current performance but reducing maintenance / labour costs, and new - and not always proven or reliable - gadgets did not fit that bill. It wasn't the time to start making steam locos complex; it was the simplicity which made them viable, and attempts at newer technology was better directed towards diesel. electric and gas turbine engines.
     
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    Could the works that built them have used new stuff without retooling/new machines etc? Weren't some of the build, like the last 9Fs, employment retention/redundancy avoidance projects to keep works open as much as required traction projects? A different world back then.


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    We only know through preservation that the only standard class 8 to be built was not even built properly in the first place, as far as I can remember from reading in the railway press 71000 was a complete cock up from start, it is only through preservation that it finally got built the way it should been in the first place.
    Oh I just remembered, what was that new fangled, untried and untested valve gear used?
     
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    British Caprotti
     
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    It was indeed Caprotti gear, and had been in use in Italy for many years. H.P.M. Beams at Crewe applied it to several Claughtons from 1926, and it worked well, although no better than Walschaert's gear once the valve ring problem was sorted out.

    The reason for using it on 71000 was that the power outputs required three cylinders, and the Caprotti gear meant that there was no need for a third set of valve gears for the inside cylinder, so maintaining the simplicity edict. 71000's problems in those days were many, but the gear as such wasn't one of them.
     
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    Ok, it's my fault, I started the thread swerve with my LNWR livery comment...
    Please can we know talk about the tantalising prospect of an operating LBSC Marsh H2 Atlantic?
    Can't wait!
     
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    Along with this project I am also keeping an eye on the 762 project the building of the replica of Lyn for the Lynton and Barnstaple Railway, both projects are coming along very fine, plus I believe the Lynton and Barnstaple is also a very fine project as they are trying to reopen a railway closed back in 1935
     
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    Yes Andrew I agree, it would be lovely to see her in steam, now, are there any coaches from her real build period around for her to pull?
     
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    One on the Bluebell and about three or four on the Isle of Wight. Brighton coaches were generally withdrawn early (except those cascaded to the IoW), so there are fewer bogie coaches in existence in preservation than, for example, SECR ones.

    Tom
     

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