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Brighton Atlantic: 32424 Beachy Head

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Maunsell man, Oct 20, 2009.

  1. Cartman

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    Unless it was 1646 and 1649 which were sent to work the Dornoch branch?
     
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    The Saggin' Dragon Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator Friend

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    Both Swindon built.
     
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    Sorry chaps - may have got my pannier tanks mixed up!

    I'm an LNER man you know...:oops:
     
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    Surely the left one goes on the left and the right one goes on the right? :confused:

    :p
     
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    The LNWR had a few pannier tanks too, although they were actually saddle tanks which were box shaped
     
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    Excellent. :)
     
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    My understanding was restricions on supplying complete locomotives existed (thinking here of a comment read somewhere or other about the Belgian Dunalastairs). If correct, it rather begs the question of what actually constituted a complete locomotive!
     
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    The funny bit is that Stanier 8Fs were built by workshops of all the 'Big 4', some initially for the LNER, and all eventually ending up with either the LMS or LMR.
     
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    Aah.... but didn't that just happen during the period of WWII govenment control? The LMS pony truck arrangement certainly helped Gresley's V2's stay on the track!
     
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    No it does not - it's a new tender - although I did look at photographs/measurements of surviving Sharp Stewart tenders in both Sweden & Turkey when I did the CAD drawings as the GA's surviving are not very detailed. The wheels are ex LNER and are a tad small, the rest of the tender is however new when the loco was re-built (along with quite a large part of the engine too - triggers broom syndrome). Not seen owt of such SS tenders in Egypt - got any details? Incidentally the tenders fitted to these FR locos are very slightly different to all the other SS 4 wheel tenders (including those for the Furness) although you have to look very carefully to see the differences in the cutouts in the frame.

    This is the Turkish one - its loco is plinthed in Istanbul (not my photo)
    see http://www.trainsofturkey.com/pmwiki.php/Steam/23001

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    Also not my photo but I looked at many photos of this tender in Sweden - most helpful especially round the axleboxes.
    from http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/trains/sweden10.htm

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    My apologies for the error on my part. I stand corrected.
     
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    that was under wartime conditions , when the railways were under HMG control ,so that doesn't count .most workshops were buildings guns and tanks so orders were placed as convenience dictated


    sorry 30854 - just seen your post
     
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    Did any from the LNER batch survive? that would be interesting to see
     
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    lnwrbns_pg355.jpg
     
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    Yes, funny how things can suddenly change when it suits Government or 'Higher Authority'. Bit like no steam permitted under the wires of the GE Lea Valley line.Until HRH the Queen Mother opened that museum at Woolwich - then 'Flying Scotsman' came down that route to attend the event……..
     
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    Certainly the LBSCR went to outside commercial contractors for new boilers at that time, including orders to Yorkshire Engine Co.; Robert Stephenson & Co.; Vulcan Foundry; Sharp Stewart; Vickers; and maybe others. Yorkshire Engine Co seemed to get a lot of orders over the years.

    There were ten boilers constructed by the Midland Railway that went to K class moguls (8) and B4x (2). They were constructed after the Armistice. I don't know for certain but I suspect there may have been an element of Government diktat involved in maintaining production levels after the war, rather than (as in the earlier examples) a decision taken purely by the Brighton company.

    Do you have a reference for the NBR boilers? Certainly there were dealings with North British Loco, but I'm not sure about the North British Railway?

    Going slightly further afield, the SE&CR obtained boilers from the Great Northern Railway; however, they were second hand, rather than commissioning new construction, so hardly different in scope from railways selling second-hand locomotives to each other. The GNR boilers did end up, in amongst others, on the G class 4-4-0s which had originally been purchased from the Great North of Scotland Railway, thus leading to the slightly odd point of a locomotive to the design of one pre-grouping company carrying a replacement boiler from a second and running in the ownership of a third.

    (This is a G class as originally built:

    http://www.ssplprints.com/image/401...-secr-4-4-0-locomotive-no-680-class-g-ajc-161

    And as running with a GNR boiler:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/70607220@N04/7096996425 )

    Tom
     
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    8fs were the first belpaire fireboxed locos built by the lner, apparently Thompson wasn't impressed!
     
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    Reference to these boilers in the Oakwood Library of Railway History series on Douglas Earle Marsh (ISBN 0 85361 633 7), and that of Lawson Billinton (ISBN 978 0 85361 661 0).
     
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