Bulleid Pacifics - Past or Present

Phew, quite a thread this - and pardon me for not reading all 18 pages - but I have a question that I'm sure you experts will know the answer to.

I remember well seeing the light Pacifics at Exeter in the early 60s, but as the years go by I'm struggling more and more to remember which WCs & BBs were rebuilt and which were not.
Is there a definitive guide on the net that anyone knows of which will tell me?

I tried to make up a list but got stumped by
34049
34068
34069
34110
in particular


Thanks in advance
Steve

 

A list of Bulleids here gives what tyou want.

http://www.semgonline.com/steam/blp_dat.html

 

A slightly easier to read version can be found here, courtesy of the Bulleid Society:

http://www.locos-in-profile.co.uk/Bulle ... ifics.html

 

Absolutely brilliant, many thanks chaps.

Just goes to prove the value of the forum.

Regards
Steve

 

I'd love to hear that recording.

 

When I was at Swanage on 14th Sept this year 'Manston' was being prepared for use on the line at Swanage after its overhaul. At the time the loco hadn't been quite finished there being some adjustments being made to the brakes at the engine shed and it was clear that the painting hadn't quite been finished either.

Looking at my video of the day the right hand side of the engine was unlined and appeared to be in a dark olive green finish, the tender was completely in the dark olive green shade and unlined, and the left hand smoke deflector were painted in brunswick green but were unlined. The rest of the engine ie the left side was lined out and in brunswick green.

Now this is really, I suppose, a question about the painting spec for BR brunswick green. Was the engine on 14th Sept in a 'genuine' intermediate state of finish ie would BR and presumably the GWR have used the dark olive green as an undercoat or is this state something has arisen in preservation? If not what shade did BR and the GWR use for an undercoat?

I would like to emphasise that I not trying to be provocative here, I'd really like to know!

I would also like to say that the olive green looked great, excellent!

Regards

 

Manston and tender were, on 14th September 2008, completely in whatever Williamson's call that shade of green. Only the lining remained to be done.
I will check the left over gloss that SLL supplied for touching up and post on here the information carried on the can label.

 

34092 had the steam doors operative and I fired a trip on the Worth Valley with no problem. Just need to get your co ordination right. It would be nice if SLL were to eventually fit one on 34070.

 

Lining-out makes a big difference to the appearance of the shade of green, as does the level of sunlight/shade or artificial light. The final finish is also affected by the shade of undercoat, the number of gloss coats applied, the varnish and then whether lining is applied.

 

Doesn't the treadle firehole door take more work and more precision? Didn't the Q1's have this as well???? (Okay Bulleid design so possibly)

 

The Q1 0-6-0 was never fitted with steam operated doors.
Middle_C

 

Thanks Middle_C... How about the other question to my last post?

 

Sorry 34007 missed the other question. The idea of the steam operated doors was to take
the effort out of opening firehole doors and of course keeping the entry of cold air to the firebox to a minimum. Having listened to some Salisbury men, they definately felt there was
a benefit in using the doors. Regarding precision in using these, this came with experience,
remember the men were using them day in and day out, unlike todays firemen who may
only get on a Bulleid occassionaly. Yes there was a skill and see them used properly was a
real treat.
Middle_C

 

Anyone got or knows of any footage of someone using steam operated doors from the old days.

 

No!

 

The SR S15's had a flap firehole door that opened inwards with the operating handle on the drivers side. This was so that the driver could work the firehole door flap as the fireman plied his shovel. I often do this for the fireman on the S15 on the NYMR. It's an easy routine to get into. I know some other locos had similar arrangements but can't specifically state which ones. The Butterfly doors on a Bulleid pacific were provided for the same purpose of minimising cold secondary air and cutting down the heat radiated back but enabled the fireman to control the doors, rather than the driver.

 

M7s, well 53, has a door that works in the same way as the S15.

 

I’ve been on the foot plate of 30506 and have also fired 30506 some years ago but please can someone tell me if a N15 and a LN class have the same type of fire hole door.


Thanks

 

The only film of auto firedoors I have found is on utube, have a look for chinese steam locomotives. The loco looks like it has a mech stoker fitted but they are hand firing with coal dust. Not Bulleid I know but it will give some idea as to how it all works.

 

The QJ 2-10-2 was indeed fitted with a mechanical stoker and power operated firehole doors. Hand firing was resumed when they introduced coal bonuses and the crews found they could save coal by doing the job themselves. A typical QJ crew would be four - driver, two firemen and one in charge of the water.