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Charles Wytock/Sinembe

Discussion in 'Narrow Gauge Railways' started by 61624, Apr 6, 2013.

  1. Felix Holt

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    Thanks for the info - much appreciated!
     
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    I wonder when the other two will be up for sale, and where they'll end up.
     
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    I think they are, or at least 'Sinembe' may have been? Last I heard 'A. Bouille' was still unfinished.
     
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    As far as I know, neither Sinembe or A Boulle are up for sale.
    Attached is a photo I've been sent (don't know the photographer) of Mona, Mona 001.jpg the surviving Tongaat Bagnall in South Africa.
     
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    Ah, I thought I read in a magazine a while back that the owners intention was to sell them on to somewhere which has a line.

    I stand corrected!
     
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    I believe Graeme Walton-Binns hopes to find a line that will lease them from him.
     
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  7. Felix Holt

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    I wonder how easy that will be? Which 2 foot lines currently have a loco shortage, and would need to consider this? Any suggestions?
     
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    Well the Leighton Buzzard Railway will be down to 2.5 engines powerful enough to haul all service trains next season (Elf, PC Allen, and Peter Pan is the .5 as is often away on holidays), as the WD boiler certificate is up (last steaming this Sunday). Not sure about how other overhauls are progressing though.
     
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    I'd have thought the South Tynedale could probably make good use of one.
     
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    They might, but when Isibutu went up this spring, there was an issue with pointwork which it could not negotiate due to the long wheelbase
     
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    The STR has been to see them and is not interested.
    Peter Johnson
     
  12. Felix Holt

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    The L&B has Axe, Isaac, and C W(h)ytock, and Lyn due end of next year. I doubt they'd have room in the shed for anything else, though the red one would look cool on an L&B train IMHO!!
     
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    Any lack of interest may be down to the owner's reputation for being "tricky". I can imagine, though, that they are not ideal engines in many ways - that Bagnall marine firebox is probably not suited to longer runs such as the STR. Amerton ought to be an appropriate home for one, though.

    I'm intrigued by the comment that Isibutu had problems at the STR due to its long wheelbase - I've always thought that the coupled wheelbase looks too short. Do these engines not have a conventional bogie? If they do I can't see why their wheelbase would be a problem on curves or elsewhere, given that headshunts etc on the STR must have been built to accommodate the Polish 0-6-0 tender engine which must have a longer overall wheelbase. Can anyone explain the problem?
     
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    These engines wouldn't be able to in our platforms, would be nice tho..

    Cheers
     
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    That long overhang at the front must kick the front bogie sideways quite a way on sharp curves and if the sideways movement on the front bogie is restricted it could be that rather than the coupled wheelbase itself which gives the issues.
     
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    You articulated that much better than I did (and much better than Isibutu did...!)

    Thanks
     
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    Very fine, sir
     
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    The main line at Tongaat was about 90 miles long, and the sugar company continued to buy these engines (13 in all) for 37 years, so the marine fireboxes must have been more than capable of a long run. Charles Wytock and the loco now called Isibutu, were the last 2 built and had bigger boilers and fireboxes (although Isibutu was fitted later on with the smaller boiler off the 1939 built W J Mirlees). The fixed wheelbase is 3 ft 6 ins and the bogie wheelbase is 4ft; Charles Wytock has no problem with any points at the L&B. I understand there was one particularly tight point in the yard at South Tynedale which gave cause for concern when Isibutu was there in April.
     
  19. Felix Holt

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    I wonder whether my friends here in Sweden might like a bright red loco to contrast with their green Maffei and green Jung...? :D
     
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    Alston has some points which are very tight (1:4 or worse IIRC). Any 'long' locos (which include pony trucks or bogies) could have problems. Runround at Kirkhaugh comes to mind.

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