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Alberta 45562 · 14 apr 2009

Another annoying thing is as you say courtesy,sometimes even saying "alright" or "Hi" seems too much for some people and they just stand and look like someone dropped a turd in their bed!

60017 · 14 apr 2009

Alberta 45562 zei:

Another annoying thing is as you say courtesy,sometimes even saying "alright" or "Hi" seems too much for some people and they just stand and look like someone dropped a turd in their bed!
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Hahahahahaha ..........so true, or as Lilly Savage once said 'they looked at me as if I'd put a skid mark on a white towel in their bathroom.'

Spamcan81 · 15 apr 2009

60017 zei:

Elsewhere on the forum (The Great Britain Saturday thread), people having been getting upset about the noise generated by digital camera's in close proximity to videographers. Some say its natural 'background' noise, others disagree. Some say all digital camera shutter 'sounds' can, and should be turned off (not true in the more expensive DSLR market). Some say, taking 'bracket shots' is not photography (every press professional would disagree with that) and that 20 shots in 20 seconds is silly behaviour. So we have a right old kerffuffel !

Do the video makers have a divine right to silence ? Discuss.

*Hides in a concrete bunker* :smt014
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If they think a DSLR makes a lot of noise, they should hear the racket my Mamiya and Pentax 645s used to make. Only one frame per second but the power wind sounded like a tractor and the shutter "clunk" was loud enough to wake the dead. :smt003
Still and video are not happy bedfellows but we all have the right to use the camera and medium of our choice. I do sound recording too and both still and video photographers can be a bind. Shutter and winder noise from the still cameras and the noise from videographers replaying their clip or collapsing their tripods even though the loco can still be heard heading into the distance. If the sound is more important than the image then I'll forgo the shot and set up my sound gear well away from the gallery.

Spamcan81 · 15 apr 2009

dalrypaul zei:

A fairly pedantic point, but with most cameras, shutter noise is minimal and the noise you usually hear is 'mirror slap'. All SLRs have a mirror to enable 'through the lens' viewing. This moves out of the way before the shutter is opened and then returns after, usually with a 'clunk'. More advanced cameras enable mirror lock up, but this isn't terribly useful for railway photography as you can't see through the viewfinder when the mirror is locked up. Compact and some other cameras enable you to set an electronic noise when the shutter fires, primarily because these cameras don't have mirrors, so it's really difficult to hear when the shutter fires (if you need that reassuring 'clunk').

My personal view is that videographers would be best investing in directional microphones and other such systems to overcome local noise, as railway photography is often undertaken in 'galleries' of people and so there will always be some background noise. Most linesiders are considerate of one another, but we all get it wrong from time-to-time and upset someone else. In my experience, it is rarely intentional. Otherwise, you just need to avoid the crowds, which usually isn't too difficult with a bit of thought.

As for 'machine gun shooting' - why not? I have one camera that I only get one shot on before having to manually wind, and another that has a fast winder. If I judge the speed of the train to be sufficiently slow that I can get multiple shots, then why not increase my chances of getting a good one? For sure, it would be magic if I could get a single perfect shot every time, but trying to get the exhaust optimum, rods down, etc. is pretty tricky, no matter how experienced you are. I've just spent the weekend chasing the Great Britain around Scotland and spent time with several top notch photters, many of whom shoot 'machine gun' style. So, why not take advantage of the multiple shot capability of many cameras to increase the chances of success? It's not compulsory to make things difficult for yourself, just for the sake of it.
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Your point about a directional mic is a good one. I have a professional videographer who attends photo charters I organise and he has no worries about being a part of the gallery as he has the right mic for the occasion. I've seen and heard the results of his filming and not once have I heard a single shutter fire.

ADB968008 · 15 apr 2009

It's not unique to the UK either.

I recall one year in Chabowka at their Mzana Dolna parade, there was a German photographer who turned up and sat on a hill with a great over view of a field.. at one point a random photographer walked down the track at which, he pulled out a Duck Whistle and started blowing it profusely.. followed by a jumping up and down with a verbal tirade in german... this was highly amusing...

Thinking it couldnt get any better the other photographer looked at him and carried on walking... The German guy pulled out a white flag and his duck whistle, at which we were all having a good laugh...

Finally he went back to his car, pulled out a shot gun and fired it into the air...

At this point everyone left for somewhere else !!!

60017 · 15 apr 2009

It was worth starting this thread just to hear that one !!! ROFL ! =D>

RalphW · 15 apr 2009

dalrypaul zei:

My personal view is that videographers would be best investing in directional microphones and other such systems to overcome local noise, as railway photography is often undertaken in 'galleries' of people and so there will always be some background noise.
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Most serious videors do have directional mics, but I have found that even one costing over £100 still clearly picks up sound generated at 90deg 20 feet away because it is so sensitive, but that is what I want it to do, to be able to pick up the sound of an approaching loco when it may be a mile away. This among other things is one reason that I try to avoid 'galleries'. These tend to be looking for the approach to side on shot. I want, if possible, the whole passing shot to disappearing in the distance. The gallery is also often on the move before the train is out of sight, this can be seen on my video of Scots Guardsman on Shap last week.
So if you see a lone figure standing on the hillside 100s of yards from anyone else, wave but don't shout....
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Neil_Scott · 15 apr 2009

Sidmouth zei:

the issue to me is not in clicks but in our tolerance of each other in what is essentially a hobby . None of this is life and death and yet given some of the outpourings on here you'd think it was.

Courtesy to your fellow man is very easy and makes everyone's day that bit better and yet i'm amazed at how hard people find it
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A very good point Martin.

At Bridge of Allan last Friday when I walked down the Up platform there was someone with a video camera where I wanted to take my photograph. I approached him and asked him where he wanted to video and explained where I would like to be. We both reached an amicable conclusion as to our positionings and chatted away until the train arrived. No aggrevation, no vanity or hiss-fits, just easy compromise and we were both happy with what we got.

How hard is it to be considerate, accomodating and compromising with each other?

shredder1 · 15 apr 2009

lol, quite difficult apparently

Guest · 15 apr 2009

And that sort of compromise seemed to happen most everywhere - except Cleghorn and Huntly

RalphW · 16 apr 2009

Neil_Scott zei:

At Bridge of Allan last Friday when I walked down the Up platform there was someone with a video camera where I wanted to take my photograph. I approached him and asked him where he wanted to video and explained where I would like to be. We both reached an amicable conclusion as to our positionings and chatted away until the train arrived. No aggrevation, no vanity or hiss-fits, just easy compromise and we were both happy with what we got.

How hard is it to be considerate, accomodating and compromising with each other?
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It is not difficult to reach an amicable solution where the people concerned are reasonable and considerate, it's when the one inconsiderate prat appears late and ignores those who have been waiting for some time, and takes up his position regardless.

shredder1 · 16 apr 2009

nothing a good slap round the head wont solve

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