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Current and Proposed New-Builds

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by aron33, Aug 15, 2017.

  1. MellishR

    MellishR Part of the furniture Friend

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    A loco with a steam tender is similar to an articulated one, with some of the same pros and cons, but the rear engine is a bit of a bodge, squeezed onto a tender chassis with small wheels, and you have only a normal-sized boiler. So it's useful only when you need some extra TE and adhesion for starting or on a bank. For most trains over most routes it's probably easier and cheaper to use banking locos.
     
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    Good point, though perhaps compounding might provide an answer here.

    OK .... a bit smaller than Mr.Sturrock's locos, but on La'al Ratty's 15" gauge, there was that monstrosity, the first River Mite, created by articulating Bassett-Lowke pacifics, Broclebank/Colossus under a new boiler, it's failure was allegedly due to the light construction of both donor locos. That can't be said of Greenley's chunky River Esk which operated for a while with a steam tender and wasn't the resounding success the management had hoped. In that case, the only real positive outcome being that many component parts of the steam tender got used to build the second River Mite, many moons later.
     
  3. LesterBrown

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    There was recently discussion here about a new build water-tube W1. Big, expensive and not really successful.

    Now suggestions about new build Sturrock steam tenders. Manageable size but rather lacking the boiler power for two sets of machinery.

    My thoughts therefore run to a new build Boulton water tube saddle tank. Reasonably successful and built on the 'chassis' of redundant steam tenders.
     
  4. marshall5

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    V2??? That's a new one on me. V4 perhaps?
    Ray.
     
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    inspired by another thread, How about a Hughes Dreadnought? L+Y
     
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    Ahh! You must remember GHW!
    Ray.
     
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    Claughton surely?
     
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    Only too well.
    (Steamport inside joke in case you were wondering)
     
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    Before or after the Patriot ?

    Bob.
     
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    Dreadnought first, then Patriot, then Claughton - ambitious or what?
    Ray.
     
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    Surely you build the Claughton first, then you have some of the key components for the Patriot, helping to save some cost ...

    Tom
     
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    How much are wheel centres (and numbers) in the grand scheme of things...

    Mind you, there's quite a bit of jubilee in the motion IIRC (so a regression in desing iterations), so maybe when they've finished, they'll de-build it into a claughton...
     
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    are they going to introduce a 12" to the foot scale engine series then, whats going to be first? standard class 3, 77000 mogul
     
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    Sorry .... I was referring to GHW's various plans for these locos at different times. Sort of an 'in' joke with Bryan and Bob as we are all ex Steamport.
    Ray.
     
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    In terms of the historical significance though I think that 10000 is head and shoulders above the rest.
     
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    i doubt it . the 1st 2 Pats used Claughton drivers .... thats it . the Pats were new engines with large Claughton boilers on Scot frames as were the Jubilees , but with taper boilers .

    the new build i would like to see is a properly sorted Claughton ...or better still , a Claughton 4-6-2 with a wide firebox parallel Scot boiler ,,,,,if only Bowen Cooke had lived........??
     
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    yeh ...and we could turn it into a W1
     
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    Because it paved the way for .... no more of its type to ever be built again ever ?. Strange that such an oddity has garnered such affection, no one ever mentions Fury = perhaps out of respect for the people that lost their lives when things went wrong with it
     
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    I nearly fell off my perch when A1SLT first announced a P2. I remember wondering whether I'd totally lost track of time and it was in fact April 1st .... then, to top it all, a couple of years back, the FR go and announce James Spooner on ...... April 1st. Am I the only one who at first thought that was a wind up on that particular day?

    I do suspect you're right about Fury.. Even has that tragedy not occurred, I couldn't imagine either insurance nor vehicle acceptance wallahs being any too keen on something that uniquely far removed from normal railway practise and such ultra high pressure systems as do exist bear little relevance to a railway application in any event. You can probably file any notions of a water tube W1 under the same category, which probably isn't such a bad thing!
     
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    Although this is the steam traction forum, I suspect @johnofwessex is referring to the Ivatt 10000, not the Gresley one.

    Tom
     

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