DBS Throw the toys out the pram ?

Both DRS and GBRF have passenger licenses so could work charters but as Colin has said above they would need steam on their safety case.

 

Will DB drop the VSOE with steam locos but retain the diesel hauled VSOE?

 

Does anyone know what the penalty fee is for causing a delay? Could we be looking at the end of main line charters with heritage locos if loco owners are made to pay for a delay.

 

Or will prices rise to accommodate insurance premiums? Rather that that lose what we have...

 

Sounds fair enough to me.

If Owned a vintage car, but couldnt drive, paid a taxi driver to drive my vintage car for me and my friends (who I charged a fee).. then the car breaks down and I ask the driver to pay for towing...

how much would he want paying and how long would he want to be doing that for if every 3rd time my car broke down ?

 

If what you say is true why have we been having a D.B.S. trainee fireman on our torbay express of late?

all the best
jane.


all my comments are mine and mine a lone ;

 

This has already been the practice for some time.

 

AFAIK, WCRC can, and do, operate air-braked trains as and when needed. I think there is some kind of business partnership between DBS and Riviera which has meant that, recently, trains using DBS crews have also used Riviera stock. However, I don't think there's anything to stop a promoter from hiring Riviera carriages and a WCRC crew if that is the best solution on a particular occassion.

There already is a near-monopoly situation in the steam rail-tour business with just two suppliers of loco crew and a limited choice of rolling stock suppliers. Indeed, for vacuum-baked only locos, WCRC have a monopoly. I guess WCRC, DBS and Riviera already have to be quite careful not to abuse their dominant positions. The Office of Rail Regulation (?) and the Office of Fair Trading will be aware of the situation.

 

But what if their positions do start to be abused? They way things are going, it looks to be getting easier and easier to corner the market in steam and heritage diesel charter work. Surely the market as it stands will favour WCRC even more with a potential demise of DBS? The lack of competition would therefore mean that unless, as you state, a railway promoter actually stipulates the use of Riviera stock and a WCRC driver, the former would effectively be left out in the cold where steam trips are concerned, and runs the risk of WCRC refusing to provide drivers unless they also provided the train. Its an interesting situation...

 

Do WCRC use Riviera stock at present?--I always see WCRC stock on steam spls they crew.
As others have said,does this mean some of the operations of 60163 6024 71000 35028 will need to find another operator? Or have I mis-understood the phrase "third party...."

Normally,my feeling is wait for clarification. However, if you enjoy/operate air braked steam locos.........

Ray Mason

 

Hi Big Al, what i ment was what is the point of training up new firemen if they are going to come out of the steam operation ;

all the best
jane

 

I think some clarification is required. Certainly the latest excitement over DBS is probably a predictable over-reaction to a reminder that they (as we) are under no obligation to operate anything, unless they are completely satisfied with its status. As the rumour (and it appears to be just that) originated within the preserved diesel fraternity, it may well relate to a particular loco only; unless DBS write to all their third-party suppliers, it remains just that, a rumour.

In respect of steam, all air-braked main line steam locos are currently registered jointly with both steam duty-holders; whether the operator wishes to use a particular loco or an owner wishes to run with one or other or both operators is a matter for them. As DBS have for some years not wished to operate vacuum-braked trains, vacuum-only locos remain with us.

JS

WCR

 

Thanks for the heads up on the topic James.

 

I seem to remember in the 1980s BR saying steam only had a few years to survive on the mainline and here we are 15 years after the demise of that organisation and there is more steam around than ever before. Until something is actually confirmed by the management of DBS then this is all speculation.Lets wait and see.

 

Maybe DBS fancy a fleet of their own? They're not willing to use third party locos so they'll have to buy some of their own, could we see Tornado in DBS red?

That's why they're getting rid of all the 60's - to make room at Toton for all those steam engines.

Or maybe not.

 

Well if they were to buy Tornado from the A1 Trust, that would sort out the finances for their next new build

Add 6024 to the shopping trolley and that's maybe one more big problem solved.....

All seems like a win-win to me

:behindsofa:

 

They're getting rid of 60's so they're not going to buy another even if it is a western one.