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Demic Barry/other Wrecks

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by D6332found, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. Wenlock

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    It's a term I don't recall hearing in my railway service pre-1997. However I do seem to recall hearing enthusiasts (of what was then considered the modern railway) using the term.

    Some enthusiast magazines seem to have promoted the use of words nationally, which had originally been local.
    Such as the horrible term "gronk" which we never used at work, and which was possibly originally invented by a local group?
    Many of the nicknames given to pilot locos were applicable to whatever loco was on pilot duty, as opposed to gronk which has come to be universally applied only to the 08/09 family.
     
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    Ive always thought of a Gronk as an 08/9, didn't know it had any other use, like Jinty for the LMS 3F tank
     
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    Whilst you are updating, although the owner is in dispute with the NYMR I would not describe 3814 as derelict - part-restored or under restoration would be a fairer description
     
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    I had to go and look it up as it's a term I hadn't heard of until the OP.

    I never liked nicknames at all - be it for people, or for items such as locomotives. When I first heard someone using the term "bogcart" to describe a DMU, my first thought was "how common."

    I was 14.
     
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    Despite the clarification (I think?) I still can't get my first image of a Demic being some kind of Diesel traction out of my head.
     
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    i think demic is a military/RAF term meaning decommisioned or unserviceable, or so I thought. Better to remove it from the list and use a term or terms we understand, such as Barry condition or dismantled for spares (DSM would be a common term used in the IRS series of booklets as I recall).
     
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    I've never heard that one!
     
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    A slight variation which was in use here in Lancashire for a DMU in the 60's and 70's was 'bugcart', not 'bogcart'.

    I always rather liked them!
     
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    In West Lancs it was F##tcart
     
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    'Demic' was commonly used on the railways in my day (1970s) and before and after, and as I said, not just for locomotives of whatever fuel source. It was not a gricer word, but used by professional railwaymen. A green carded wagon would be a demic, and hauled off to the shops for repair. It did not mean beyond repair, merely that its condition rendered it out of use at that particular time.
     
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    Maybe different parts of the railway then? Never heard it at Wimbledon or Hoo Jn.

    I know there were regional variations in other matters, such as to me "the cars" meant a car carrying train, whereas at Colchester I heard that name used for the ECS.

    Defective wagons (whether green or red carded) were normally referred to as cripples.
     
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    Never heard the term 'demic' during my career in Mrs Windsor's Flying Club. The terms used would be either Serviceable (S), Unserviceable (U/S)* Repairable (R2/R4), Defective (Q2/Q4)* or Scrap (BER). Disclaimer: these categories may have changed since I handed in my uniform.

    Other unofficial terms were also used but I don't want to test the Mod's tolerance. ;)



    * for the pedants - there is a significant difference in the definitions of 'Unserviceable' and 'Defective' hence the separate categories.
     
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    42859 can be rebuilt, we have the technology, as someone once said on the telly. Any major parts missing, can just be built new, in this modern age where new builds of complete locomotives are the norm. Same really with any S15's that have been cannibalised. I've lost track as to which S15's are whole and which ones are an incomplete kit of parts.
     
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    42859 isn't demic, it's fubar (probably
     
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    There was a road in Peterborough on the opposite side of the East station called Cripple Sidings Lane, I understand.
     
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    Has 48518 actually been scrapped or is it simply that the parts have been scattered to the four winds? I mean I know there's next to no chance of it ever being put back together but say that I won the Euromillions and then phoned around offering everyone brand new replacement parts, how many original bits would I get back?


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    I'm pretty sure that I read that the frames had been cut up after all usable parts of the loco had been distributed to other projects.
    Ray.
     
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    There are pictures knocking about of the frames in the grass at the ELR - no idea how old they are, if they were planning to scrap, unless they were knackered I am surprised they were not either kept or bought by another 8F owner in case a spare set was needed in the future?
     
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    8F frames are not necessarily interchangeable: they come in three different thicknesses (1", 1 1/16" and 1 1/8") and either mild or HT steel. Unless they are of the right type, they are of no real use to another owner.
     
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    why so ? I imagine LMS locos were pretty standard and as long as the entire frames were used I can't see where there would be a problem.
     

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