Flying Scotsman

But doesn't the double chimney mean that it will have to run with those awful smoke deflectors?

I know the Kylchap is more efficient than single blast, but the single chimney A1/A3 as first designed by Gresley was aesthetically a classic. It seems a shame to lose those good looks.

Andrew N

 

The smoke deflectors are not exactly "awful", they are very good at what they are supposed to do. If you are going to run with a double Kylchap you really don't have much choice but you never know what the future might hold. At the moment it is good to see the engine back in one piece again, enjoy it, then see what happens.

 

Oh no not again :smash: How many more times are we going to rake over these ashes? :deadhorse:

 

Is that the new Batmobile from the upcoming third Christopher Nolan directed Batman film?

Joking aside she looks very good.

 

Particularly when - I think I'm correct in saying - the NRM have no choice in the matter, as she no longer has the single chimney or the fittings for one, and she hasn't had them since 1994 at the latest...!

 

She arrived at York this afternoon and was being paired up with her tender as I left for home. Tomorrow is cleaning day before the public launch on Saturday.

 

Nice, thanks for the update Anthony - hope all goes well, good luck and have fun.

Just gutted I'm missing the launch! Ah well, chance to see her at the ELR later perhaps?

 

Now on the turntable..................under a sheet

 

Ive just been reading about FS History and I must admit I was shocked how Un-authentic the colour schemes has been since 1963. With out getting into a livery debate, I thought It made fasinating reading and well worth posting.

Built as A1 in 1923 as unamed No.1742 carrying both L&NER and 1472 on the Tender in Apple Green.

Named Flying Scotsman and renumbered 4472 (Again the number appeared on the tender below the LNER lettering with a coat of arms on the cabsides - Feb 1924

Outshopped after minor overhaul with No.4472 on the cabsides with just LNER on tender. - April 1928

Painted Wartime Black after General repair stil in A1 condition - Spring 1943

Renumbered to 502 - January 1946

Renumbered to 103 - May 1946

Entered works for rebuilding into A3 - November 1946, Re-entered traffic as an A3 in LNER apple Green still numbered 103 - January 1947

Banjo shape boiler fitted and renumbered E103 with BRITISH RAILWAYS on the tender (still in apple green). - March 1948

Renumbered 60103 (Again still in apple green with British Railways on the Tender)- December 1948

Repainted BR Experimental blue - December 1949

Repainted BR Green - March 1952

Double Chimney fitted - Dec 1958

Smoke deflectors fitted - Dec 1961

Withdrawn and sold to Alan Pegler in Jan 1963 who painted her in 1928 colours but retained the Banjo shaped boiler and re-installed a single Chimney. This meaning FS in a 1948 condition - totally inauthentic for the paint job even in 1963. This is how it remained, Au-authentic for the next 31 years until Pete Waterman painted her BR Green with a double Chimney.

 

You forget that the BR livery was inaccurate: as she was paired with a corridor tender.

In truth, she can't match any specific period of her operation under BR or the LNER as the combination of the A3 locomotive and corridor tender didn't happen in her case (the tender postwar was a non corridor one, hers having been given to an A4 pre-war).

Whatever livery you paint Scotsman in currently, it is always going to be a compromise.

I'm fairly certain she's inaccurate for wartime black with the corridor tender, never mind the double chimney.

Whatever the compromises are/have been, she looks terrific now and I'm looking forward to seeing her in steam soon enough.

By the by - if she was matched with a round top dome, and a true 180lb A1 boiler (!!!), along with a single chimney, then she'd be as close to her late 1920s/ early1930s pre-war condition than anything else, and this is only accurate for the short period of LNER use, before she was paired with a non-corridor tender instead of the 8-wheel corridor she used during and after her famous 1928 non-stop run.

 

I'm equally shocked that someone can be shocked about something so unimportant as the liveries 4472 has carried since preservation. Be thankful we have an A3 at all.

 

She does however have an A3 whistle...

 

I do think it's quite amusing that the livery-fundamentalists that constantly demand that 4472 is painted BR green because of 'accuracy' ignore the fact she wasn't running with a corridor tender when she was fitted with the double chimney & deflectors. As many other sensible people have said let's just be grateful that an A3 has survived and is now in good health again.

 

Were certainly on countdown to the first pictures tonight at 8pm - http://www.nrm.org.uk/planavisit/events/flyingscotsmanunveiling

 

Thats exactly what I was thinking. She lost her corridor tender sometime around 1934 I think so a Brunswick 60103 wouldn't be accurate.

Shame I don't have a chance to get to York or Bury to see 502/103.

 

Erm............. www.flickr.com/photos/phil47310/5762115007/

 

That is nice !

Now I'm really looking forward to seeing her tomorrow :happy:

 

It does does'nt it.........I was'nt to keen on the black idea, but I must admit FS looks the part...............................

 

That's a very handsome bit of kit. I'd give a lot to see it galloping up the ECML with 8/10 on.