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Flying Scotsman

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by 73129, Aug 24, 2010.

  1. misspentyouth62

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    Tagging an old thread rather than creating a new one - apologies if this has been done before and I've not found what I'm looking for :

    From records I've found, Flying Scotsman acquired A4 Boiler 27971 (ex 60019) in 1978 which it carried until exchanged for an A3 pattern spare boiler which it carries currently. I believe that the A4 boiler previously carried was then sold onto Mr Hoskings at LSL Crewe as a spare for 60019 Bittern.

    I've read conflicting information as to whether the A3 spare came from 60041 Salmon Trout or whether this was a myth and the spare was in fact an A4 pattern boiler?

    The other piece of information I'm unclear on is what was the boiler carried by FS from 1963 to 1978 and what happened to it? Was this different to the current boiler or one and the same?

    From what I've gleaned, the A4s currently carry the following boilers :
    60007 - 27966
    60008 - 29335
    60009 - 29337
    60010 - 27970
    60019 - 29332
    60022 - 27965

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  2. S.A.C. Martin

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    Current boiler is 100% an A3 type and can be easily checked by observing the arrangement of the washout plugs on the side of the boiler in front of the cab. I believe it is indeed the original boiler carried between 1963 and 1978.

    The A4 boiler I - think - was put on prior to the Australia trip and then not replaced until the NRM decided to overhaul the A3 one instead in 2005.

    I have a copy of her engine card here and the boiler on her in 1962 was 27058 when sold to Alan Pegler.
     
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    Much appreciated.
    Does the suggested connection to 60041 Salmon Trout's boiler therefore remain erroneous ? (I've seen elsewhere however cylinder spare used for FS from ST however??)
     
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    It could well have been fitted to ST at some point. I’ll check when home.
     
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    IIRC the boiler fitted to to 60103 when purchased by Pegler only lasted a few years, being replaced c. 1966 with the boiler from Salmon Trout which Pegler had already acquired as a spare. The A4 boiler ex-Bittern was acquired about this time, 60019 seeing out her last days in traffic with a different boiler. I assume the boiler Pegler originally acquired with 60103 was then scrapped. I could be wrong though, working entirely from memory here, I am in Wales so don't have my books to hand!

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    That sounds about right.
     
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    The A4 boiler went on in 1977/78 when she was overhauled at Vickers in Barrow

    https://www.nwemail.co.uk/features/...n-getting-flying-scotsman-back-in-full-steam/
     
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    Thank's all for your help - much appreciated
    Boiler 27058 was fitted to FS 2/6/1962 previously having been used on 60037 Hyperion and it will have had this Boiler at point of withdrawal.
    60041 Salmon Trout was withdrawn 17/1/63 and had boiler 27024 at this time - do we have confirmation that therefore current boiler running with FS is 27024?
     
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    Odd...I saw it in steam at St. Margaret's shed in 1965. I think you'll find withdrawal was December 1965.
     
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    Indeed that was my understanding. Salmon Trout being brought south "light engine" in steam to North Road [Darlington]. To be cannibalised for parts for the overhaul of 4472 at Mr Peglars' expense, with the remains scrapped. As a nod to the past as North Road was about to close they repainted the engine with apple green patches on the cylinders North Eastern style. As happened up until the early thirties.... One tale I've also heard is that Alan contacted North Road to ask about the scrap tyres, as they re-tyred the loco. As he'd planned to slice them up into small sections to be sold as paperweights, to help cover the costs. Unfortunately they'd already been scrapped:(
     
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    Apologies - yes you're correct, my error.
    60041 is reported as being condemned from St Margaret's on 4/12/1965, scrapped at Arnott Young's Carmyle in September 1966 following removal of components at Cowlairs

    17/1/1963 was when Diagram 94A boiler fitted (number 27024) at Doncaster :)

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/113816008@N03/48684599591/in/dateposted-public/
     
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