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Flying Scotsman

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by 73129, Aug 24, 2010.

  1. martin butler

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    RIP Mr Peglar, we owe him a lot not just for saving 4472, but by showing that steam could still be allowed on the main line when it looked like nothing else could run
    Ialso agree that a plaque should be carried on the engine , in the cab maybe, to commemorate the man.

    Now, can we put an end to this bash the NRM nonsence, The state of the engine and the reason there was so much wrong can not be put at their door, the blame lays squarly with the regime at Southall that allowed her to get in the state, Yes, so where did the money go to? they had a very good income source from VSOE but wasted it and on what , no one is saying ?

    What is important now is that the engine returns to steam in the best condition possible and that it is reliable Its then down to York to ensure that lessons are learnt and that she is given proper attension , and is not viewed as a cash cow to be run into the ground but instead used correctly and maintained , i dont mean she should be only used lightly, but she should have down time to enable the team to do maintaince, the same as other high profile engines are , they dont get abused, so neither should 4472
     
  2. THE MELTER

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    Condolenses to his family and friends it is sad that he did not get one last ride, i remember his commentries on Settle and Carlisle trips with warmth and nostalga.
    He was a man who recognised irony when he saw it.
    Can you imagine, Messers, Pegler, Bloom,and Marchington, looking down shaking their heads.
    Ah well time for bed.

    The melter
     
  3. MuzTrem

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    Another possible location would be on the cab doors. During her 1969 American tour these carried small brass plaques engraved with the route traversed that year, thus giving an appropriate Pegler-era precedent. (Unfortunately, though, I can't find any photos online where these plaques are clearly visible.) I also think that painting the nameplates red again would be a wonderful idea.

    RIP Alan, I never had the pleasure of meeting you but you were an inspirational figure and we all owe you a great deal.
     
  4. guard_jamie

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    If we're going to have a ponder about hypothetical locations for a hypothetical plaque, I would plug for the back of the Driver's seat. There are some wonderful photos of Alan in that seat having the time of his life.
     
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    Well put, I'm not one for seeing locos plastered in plaques, Scotsman has enough already and whilst Alan Pegler saved 4472, he also nearly lost it to us as well. I think a Pegler Red 'plate would be the best and most visual recognition even if it was just on one side 'a la Can Pac'. After all the 'Sally B' Flying Fortress has/had an engine nacelle painted differently IIFC in rememberance.

    Mark
     
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    Alan Pegler
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    A comment from Steve Davies, Director of the National Railway Museum, following the death of Alan Pegler OBE, former Flying Scotsman owner.

    It is with a deep sense of sadness, and loss to the railway heritage and preservation movement, that we at the National Railway Museum have learnt of the passing away of Alan Pegler, a man who sits in the very pantheon of the towering figures of railway preservation. Alan made an extraordinarily powerful contribution to railway preservation at both ends of the scale: he was central to the rescue of the Ffestiniog Railway in the 1950s, and of course saved Flying Scotsman from the scrap yard in the 1960s.

    I had the privilege and pleasure of meeting him when Flying Scotsman was presented to the public in the National Railway Museum’s Great Hall last May. I will never forget the huge round of applause that erupted at the first mention of his name in my welcoming speech. Subsequently, I wrote personally to him to alert him to the emerging problems with the locomotive, and I know that he was grateful for that courtesy.

    It is our deepest regret that he did not live long enough to see Flying Scotsman return to traffic at the end of this latest restoration, but this makes it doubly important that we see this job through to completion. I can think of no greater tribute to his achievements and his memory than the sight and sound of his beloved Flying Scotsman in full steam, on the railway she was built for.


    http://www.nrm.org.uk/AboutUs/PressOffic...egler.aspx
     
  7. GWR4707

    GWR4707 Resident of Nat Pres

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    Sad news indeed ,I met Alan on several occasions when he was with the Flying Scotsman and other times a true gentleman and allways willing to have a chat will be missed greatly
     
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    While not necessarily wanting to point fingers at anyone specifc or indulge in intemperate language, if people had bothered to find out anything about the Gresley A1/A3's instead of being besotted by Flying Scotsman as a symbol, they should have become aware that the frames on these locos were notoriously prone to cracking and require thorough inspection at any major overhaul. As I have pointed out previously, the need for repair was so frequent that Doncaster habitually replaced the frames with a spare repaired (or even new) set at general repairs.
     
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    For anyone who has already downloaded Railway Herald, that's on page 25.
     
  13. 242A1

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    All in the article, only to be expected. Surprised the cast iron didn't give up years ago or maybe it had and it was not noticed. I don't believe this work will prevent IR and the others completing the main task in hand.

    Looks like Railway Herald has been taking journalism lessons from SR from the general tone.
     
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    Blimey! I wrote better quality stuff than that when i was doing my GCSE's!
    Understandably, speculation will run wild given the level of transparency here, but that really is shoddy journalism. Now i see why so many people are giving up on the mags
     
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    Don't remember the locomotive being all that bad and certainly not at speed (balancing?), seem to think the tender was more of a culprit – suppose that could have been because of movement at the back-end. It’s also worth mentioning that was some fairly ropey sections of track on a number of the regular routes!
     
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    Have to say I agree. The tone and language is not what one would expect from any publication.
     
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    With regard to "transparency" I can understand the reluctance of the NRM to keep reports and information concerning this overhaul somewhat low key. As soon as work appears to start to go well, something else is found that sets things back, you deal with it and think you are back on the right tack but........ Given the modern love of finding an individual to castigate to the Nth degree no wonder folk keep their heads down.

    It might have been better if there had been an overhaul diary section on the website but some poor individual has to give up precious time to keep it up to date, time that some would argue would be better spent on the engine. In this life you are truely damned all ways. The reading of the same, if it had been done, would have inflamed the ire of some whose railway loyalties lie in a very strange place for individuals who lays claim to being preservationists.
     
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    i wonder how many brand new A3's could of been built with all the money thats gone into buying and re-building the old girl? dont get me wrong i love flying scotsman very dearly, but it is all beginning to seem a bit of a farce.
     
  19. ADB968008

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    Adding the purchase cost and restoration costs... And Using Tornado's costs as a yard stick... 1.5 A3's.

    Given that at the time, low inflation, dual Economies, a spare boiler, tender and cylinder existed.. Probably 2 A3's could have been built.

    One new, 1 slighly used and the original Scotsman possibly sold overseas, still just as knackered

    Would anyone have bet on those odds back in 2003...0.

    It is what it is... Now if 42700 is worse condition than Scotsman...there's no chance of it being restored !!!?.maybe they should build a few duplicates...but then is it worth £2.3mn to begin with ?

    When Scotsman comes back... It'll be like new, but it will still be the original one and only...
     
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    Scotsman is just a waste of money, it has had time on the mainline unlike some other engines, it should be left in a museum for a few years, all the money is just being wasted.

    There are much more important engines such as mallard and the SR Q1, these would probably have cost less and have not be on the mainline for a while.
     

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