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GCR Ending of Lineside Passes, ex-Bridge that Gap: Great Central Railway News

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by LMarsh1987, Nov 26, 2018.

  1. gwilialan

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    Or if applied to the multitudes bussing, training or driving to support their football / rugby / cricket team? I wonder just how many thousand journeys are made just for this?
     
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    You seem to be slightly confused about the idea of trespass. Members of the GCR’s erstwhile Lineside Photography Permit scheme were, by definition, not trespassers as they were in receipt of permission from the railway to access the lineside.

    An accident occurring to someone with permission to be on the lineside would have far more serious implications for the railway, as the (reasonable) assumption would be that the railway should have taken steps to ensure that the victim was trained, competent and had a need to be in that environment, and that they were working safely.

    However, with a trespasser, any duty of care is far lower, and any liability of the railway consequently far lower. Illustrative of this is the fact that RAIB do not consider the deaths of trespassers to be incidents of which they need to be immediately informed. Any former member of the scheme who, having been notified that their permission has been rescinded, continues their old tricks and comes a cropper in consequence, will be far less of a problem to the GCR than they would have been when they were carrying a permit . . .
     
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    nanstallon Part of the furniture

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    If somebody has a lineside pass, and keeps to the conditions of issue, then I agree he is not a trespasser. However, if he fails to keep to those conditions (e.g. by stepping into the four foot), doesn't he then become a trespasser?
     
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    No, in your example they become someone who is authorised to be on the lineside, but who is in breach of the scheme’s rules.

    Let us be perfectly clear though, “stepping into the four foot” was never against the “conditions” of the lineside scheme. With a moments thought it should be obvious that it would be impractical. How would members cross the line without stepping in the four foot ?
     
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    By use of an authorised crossing point or bridge.
    Similar to the wording found in a NWR PTS or rule Book
     
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    Spamcan81 Nat Pres stalwart

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    Serious question. What if you're out in the wilds - say Rannoch Moor - and a very long way from a crossing point or bridge, do you have to walk to such a location before crossing?
     
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    Ploughman Part of the furniture

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    How did you get to the wilds of Rannoch Moor?
    Did you follow a track or footpath?
    If yes then the liklihood of a crossing point existing would be fairly high.
     
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    I was thinking of gangers. I've only been on the wilds of Rannoch Moor during an organised photo shoot so we got to wherever we were going by train.
    So a track inspection has to take place that is some distance from the nearest authorised crossing point. Gangers walk to the location via the cess but surely they can't inspect both running rails without having to cross the running line to access the far rail.
     
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    That is a different situation.
    Working on or about the railway not crossing it.
    In which case the Rule book will give you the requirements to enable you to work safely.
     
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    All a really silly debate by grown men who should know better. Differerent personal scenario, I suffered a small but severe stroke 4 years ago, and with doctors approval was allowed to keep driving and walk the line with some reservations. I have been aware of my limits and recently gave my car away, did not renew my lineside pass nor driving licence. Do I miss any of my wanderings? u bet I do but just have to get on with it. so don't moan or shout how badly we are done to, be thankful what wwe once had
     
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    Came across one today at the ELR!

    n_1.jpg
     
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    Where the tape-recorder?
     
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    I think that’s the ultimate festoon.
     
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    I shudder to think! :eek::rolleyes:
     
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    Wow! leaves me searching for other terms to describe that set up.
    DSLR cameras are pretty reliable so to carry so many makes me scratch my head to imagine why? Does he realise that lenses are generally detachable?
    Fair play to the guy though - enjoy!
     
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    Johnny Two-cameras, eat your heart out.
     
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    There was a time when I had two cameras, colour slides and b/w print film and I did know a couple of people who had a third on the frame for colour prints. Digital has changed all that, capture the image data on one camera and you can do anything you want with it in Photoshop.
     
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    Yes, I had a pair of Canon AE-1's when I worked in Africa - one for transparencies and one for film - but they were use selectively, not bolted together ;)
     
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