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Green Goddess & Flying Scotsman question

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  1. 240P15

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    Beautiful engine!:)
     
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  3. Guitar

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    I though the whole point of the top link loco's was to do London-Edinburgh non stop, hence the corridor tender and water scoop & troughs. What other duties would she have performed usually? I know during the war everything that moved was utilised for something when needed.
     
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    Just one train a day did London - Edinburgh non stop as well as in the opposite direction. Other workings would have been expresses to Leeds, Newcastle and York for example. Kings Cross based locos would often come off the train at Grantham and then work back south. The water scoop would have been used on much shorter runs than London - Edinburgh. The first set was at Langley near Stevenage, the next at Werrington near Peterborough and so on, all about 40 miles apart. All expresses would pick up at these to keep the tender topped up.
     
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    But that was somewhat self-limited in duration :eek:
     
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    Flying Scotsman spent much of the 1930s and early 1940s based on the Great Central section, as it was still an A1 and the A3 and A4 classes had taken over on the East Coast main line. It went back to East Coast duties when it was modified to A3 specifications (1946, I believe).
     
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    I wonder where the WHR NG16s would be in this contest - the active ones clock 15k miles a year now, and back in SAR days I'd imagine they racked up a goodly annual distance...
     
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    I keep wondering, 'cos I've only seen it written, is Sir Gilbert Cloughton pronounced Clawton, Clowton , Cluffton?
     
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    Well Sir Gilbert Claughton is as per your first suggestion, but as for Cloughton,the erstwhile station north of Scarborough, I believe that's the third on your list!
     
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    Just a thought though, the RH&DR locos are roughly one third scale, so if you triple Green Goddess' mileage to account for this, then how does it look?
     
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    I seem to recall reading that Scotsman has done over 250,000 miles in preservation

    Jon
     
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    But how much of that has been in the hold of a ship travelling around the world? ;)
     
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    Deck cargo actually. No hold involved AFAIK
     
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    I don't believe it actually did.
    I'm a thorough Crewvian, and more than happy to defend the LNW and Webb whenever necessary.
    But I very strongly suspect this loco's identity was moved around judiciously to keep *a* 955 Charles Dickens in service on this train, even when previous holders of the name/number were in the works.
    I've no evidence, but I suspect...!
     
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    I believe the A3/A1s only spent t a few years on the G C section just before WW2 ,before being sent back to the G N..The next time was 1949 to 1957 ,when 9 or 10 were sent to help the B1s out . One of them 60103 Flying Scotsman was at 38C Leicester from 1950 to 1953,its only time on the G C. There where numerous transvers between GN sheds,G C sheds could n't maintain the A3s apart from light repairs. A number of turntables were to short as well, inc the one at Leicester shed.
    A look in my note book for 1954 recalls two visits to Rugby where the GC crossed the WCML. On the 15th April 60048 ,60054 and 60111 passed over, and on the 19 th June 60049 60051/60107..A visit to 34E Neasden ,the GC shed for Marylebone ,produced on 28 th November 60050/60052/60063 ,60108.
     
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    According to @S.A.C. Martin spreadsheet ( see E Thompson thread), the A3s and old A1s were averaging 42k/year in the war years.

    If you think of the ones based at Neville Hill and Carlisle Canal it's easy to imagine them being rostered for no more than 160-200 miles per available day, say Leeds-- Newcastle and back or Waverley Route.

    78 locos--that's a big fleet to operate together with the A4s and new A1s. 50k/year over the life sounds very credible--and creditable.
     
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    Hasn't Simon suggested that the GC locos were A1s - presumably waiting for uprating to the A3 specification after which they would be retained on ECML duty with possible replacement by V2s ? I recall Leicester Central still had 3 V2s on allocation in 1962 when I visited the depot.
     
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    If Simon is Master Brew ,he was suggesting Flying Scotsman was on the G C most of the 1930s until 1946,as I replied it was only there from 1950 to 1953 ,it was made into A 3 in 1947.
    Leicester G C depot became part of the Midland region in 1957/8 and became 15E. Class A train services from Marylebone were cut back to a Nottingham Victoria service a couple of years later, and worked by Midland Region engines, In 1962 if my memory serves me right, they were worked by Britannia's based at Annesley (Nottingham).Neasden shed was closed by then and the turntable and small servicing area was used just outside Marylebone station. If not they ran light to Willesden Shed. No engine change was done at Leicester, all ex L N ER engines had been transferred away soon after 1958 ,they were down to 10 or 12 loco's in 1962,all engines were ex Midland region ,local passenger an freight loco's. What was the date and V2 loco' numbers you said you seen at Leicester in 1962.
     
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    Although I do not have notes from my visit (I only started keeping notes from January 1963) my memory seems to recall 60815 / 60863 / 60890 being on site when I visited in February 1962. I am aware of the rapid run down of the locomotive stock, the allocation of V2s to both Leicester Central and Woodford Halse and the possible difference between the official allocation and actual location of locomotives during the early 1960s hence accept my memory may be faulty in terms of the V2s that I (thought I) had noted.
     

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