If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

GWSR Broadway Developments

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by Breva, Aug 1, 2014.

  1. toplight

    toplight Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2009
    Messages:
    941
    Likes Received:
    706
    Location:
    Swindon, England
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Oh interesting I hadn't realized the shop at Toddington was originally two rooms. I took some photos of the interiors of the GCR stations at the recent gala so I will paste here so you see what they have done. It definitely adds to the whole travelling back in time feeling. DSCF6832.JPG DSCF6755.JPG DSCF6766.JPG DSCF6763.JPG
    DSCF6746.JPG DSCF6804.JPG
    DSCF6833.JPG DSCF6771.JPG
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2018
  2. Breva

    Breva Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2010
    Messages:
    1,014
    Likes Received:
    1,858
    Location:
    Gloucestershire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    This is in stark contrast to our visitor experience, in our one original station at Toddington:

    16-03-13 014.jpg
    This is the southern end of the shop at Toddington, showing the fireplace of the former booking hall. The surround is still there.


    16-03-13 017.jpg
    This is the northern or ticket office end, with the door to it and the stationmaster's office on the far right.
    The fireplace in the middle is the one that was stripped out about 5 years ago. The beam across the ceiling marks the wall which had the ticket hatches, the cameraman standing in the former booking hall.

    Note the strip lights. A similar strip light has just been fitted to the Broadway ticket office :-(
     
  3. A few years ago I looked into having the extension to my house tiled like this (large room, smaller room and hallway), as I specced underfloor heating and have always loved the Victorian style of tiled flooring. Unfortunately the cost of the tiles added a couple of thousand pounds plus to the cost, which pushed it beyond the available budget. Lovely to see it done so well at Broadway.

    I can understand the need to have shops well illuminated, but surely we've moved on beyond fluorescent tubes now? That just beggars belief.

    Yeah, but apart from the finest mosaic floors and conspicuous expenditure, what have the Romans ever done for us?
     
  4. Mark Thompson

    Mark Thompson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2017
    Messages:
    573
    Likes Received:
    1,177
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    E sussex
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    The GCR really have made wonderful use of their available spaces. I particularly love those Arts and Crafts fireplaces, and it just goes to show what can be done with some imagination and determination.
    I've said this before on other threads, but I strongly believe in the railway as Theatre. Wherever possible we should be gifting our visitors with time travel, and offering them a truly immersive experience. That is the future of our business. It is about far more than a train ride. More could and should be made of costume, theme days and role play. Our visitors should come away feeling that they have been to another place and time. That will stick in their memory.
    What has already been done at Broadway goes a long way towards fulfilling this aim.
    However as Breva and others have already shown, there is a lot to do in other places.
    Jobs for the future, and goals for future generations.
     
  5. Mark Thompson

    Mark Thompson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2017
    Messages:
    573
    Likes Received:
    1,177
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    E sussex
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Strip lights. Wow. I had no idea the Edwardians were so advanced.
    Dear God alive!- that beautiful tiled floor illuminated by a bloody fluorescent strip light. Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous. I'm hoping you're going to tell us that is just a purely temporary measure?
     
    The Dainton Banker and michaelh like this.
  6. Ploughman

    Ploughman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    4,260
    Likes Received:
    1,493
    Occupation:
    Ex a lot of things.
    Location:
    Near where the 3 Ridings meet
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I take it Oil lamps hanging from the ceiling casting a dingy pool of light should be the item of choice?;);)
     
    jnc and SID125 like this.
  7. Breva

    Breva Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2010
    Messages:
    1,014
    Likes Received:
    1,858
    Location:
    Gloucestershire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    It's the ticket office that has a strip light - different people taking over their domains. We recommended 'Coolicon' Chinese hat type lamps, but you can only take a horse to water...

    The booking hall will have a suspended Hinks oil lamp - made in Brummingham, locally :) . Found it at a railwayana auction.
    http://www.oldcopper.org/makers/joseph_hinks.php
    We've converted it with a discrete LED light instead of the flame. Should look great!
     
  8. Mark Thompson

    Mark Thompson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2017
    Messages:
    573
    Likes Received:
    1,177
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    E sussex
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    phew! That's a relief.
     
  9. flying scotsman123

    flying scotsman123 Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    6,570
    Likes Received:
    7,450
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cheltenham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Bearing in mind the stationmaster's office won't be seen by the public, and will contain a computer, printer, card reading machines and modern kettle in all likelihood, plus plenty of another anachronisms, I think of all the rooms and views at Broadway it's one to get least het up about.
     
  10. Breva

    Breva Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2010
    Messages:
    1,014
    Likes Received:
    1,858
    Location:
    Gloucestershire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I hope this is a bit tongue in cheek....
    View attachment 33907
    I've been told people don't look up by a senior source, are you telling me people don't look through the window now?
    Other people's ticket offices are perfectly heritage, and people act out their roles. So can we, if we want to.
     
  11. martin1656

    martin1656 Part of the furniture Friend

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2014
    Messages:
    11,778
    Likes Received:
    6,369
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    St Leonards
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    will you have edmonton card tickets and ticket racks on the booking office wall? please dont go down the computor print out ticket route, theres nothing worse than you walk into a booking office and its a recreated jem, looks totally right, then the booking clerk gives you a modern computer printed ticket .
     
    AndyY likes this.
  12. flying scotsman123

    flying scotsman123 Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    6,570
    Likes Received:
    7,450
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cheltenham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Yes we will use Edmondson tickets, they have already been printed. I seem to recall there's about 50 different types now! :O
     
  13. flying scotsman123

    flying scotsman123 Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    6,570
    Likes Received:
    7,450
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cheltenham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Having done a quick Google, all I've managed to determine is that you can't see much through the window especially with a person in the way, and there's usually a card machine in the front which is entirely necessary.

    I'm not saying that means you can do what you like in there, merely the inevitable compromise between heritage and practicality can reasonably be expected to shift a little more towards practical that the toilets, booking office hall, cafe and platforms (those electrical boxes are decidedly naff). With respect, it's not you that's got to volunteer in there selling tickets all day. Of course you can advise, but if station staff would prefer something else in the only remotely private area of the station then I think they ought to take precedence.

    That reasoning of course doesn't apply to the canopy, chimneys or electrical boxes hence I'm much more in agreement with you there.
     
  14. AndyS

    AndyS New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2011
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    7
    Location:
    Tamworth
    As a Booking Office Clerk and also resonsible for tickets, among my many roles on the GWSR, having a comfortable envirnoment in the ticket office is important - bearing in mind most of the station staff are in their 60's and 70's! We do also need the modern IT for accounting at the end of the day and a few creature comforts like a kettle (most important!) and microwave. But rest assured all tickets will be Edmondson tickets and there are in fact well over 60 different ticket types in use once Broadway opens! I have also tried to take care to get the tickets designed in a traditional style, but also can be easily read. The tickets purchased from the main window at Broadway will also be date stamped using the orginial Edmondson date stamper from Honeybourne station, which was kindly donated to us last year.
     
  15. Breva

    Breva Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2010
    Messages:
    1,014
    Likes Received:
    1,858
    Location:
    Gloucestershire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Other people manage it , with pride:

    Booking office TV.jpg
     
  16. Kinghambranch

    Kinghambranch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    1,323
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    White Rose County
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    That's cheating, they're shop window mannequins! ;)
     
  17. AndyS

    AndyS New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2011
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    7
    Location:
    Tamworth
    I have to say, even myself as a mere youngster, I wouldn't want to spend all day sat on a stool like that!! I realise I maybe being controversial here, but, in my opinion, when the public can't see what you are sat on, what difference does it make and what is wrong with having a bit of comfort on a more modern chair / stool? I am all for the areas the public see being as heritage as possible and am very supportive of the work at Broadway and the ethos behind it. I certainly believe the general operation of the railway should be done in as traditional way as possible, but where do you draw the line? Should the loco crews mess area be in the same style as a BR steam age messroom for instance?
     
    flying scotsman123 likes this.
  18. flying scotsman123

    flying scotsman123 Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    6,570
    Likes Received:
    7,450
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cheltenham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    We certainly won't give up our warm messroom/picture gallery in C+W! I don't think you;re being that controversial Andy, seems entirely reasonable to me. As I said, to me it seems distinct from the "no one will look up" attitude which I agree was wrong.
     
    AndyS likes this.
  19. TommyD

    TommyD New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    20
    Gender:
    Male
    Something that’s been bugging me for some time - and this isn’t just about GWSR. Why, when building extra facilities to a station, like gift shops, cafes, toilets etc, that weren’t originally there, is the opportunity not taken to build away from the platform rather than along it? I get disappointed when standing on a platform to see a whole range of buildings stretching along its length where originally it would all be open. If you built away from the platform so that only a small facade was present you’d have the necessary facilities without impinging too much on the original heritage feel of the station.

    I realise that this is only possible if the land is available and that building along a platform is easier but it does always bug me. I wonder if this is ever considered.
     
  20. AndyY

    AndyY Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    410
    Likes Received:
    458
    Whatever next, nasty dirty old steam locomotives covering everybody in smuts and cinders?
     

Share This Page