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Ivatt Diesel Re-creation Society

Discussion in 'Diesel & Electric Traction' started by MellishR, Feb 7, 2015.

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    But if you trace the lineage back, you get to the Twins.
     
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    Yes DP2 was the prototype for the 50s. However the D16/1 design was the prototype rail application for English Electric's 16SVT power unit. 10000 & 10001 had the mark 1 version. The class 40s had the mark 2, then DP2 and the 50s had the third version, the 16CSVT
     
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    A new promotional video has been released today:

     
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    An article about the Society President

    Stan Fletcher is President of the Ivatt Diesel Re-creation Society. Between 1947 and 1983 he was a commissioning engineer with English Electric, later part of GEC. His role included being part of the team at Derby that built and tested the London Midland & Scottish Railway’s D16/1 design diesel loco 10000 and its twin 10001. When he first became involved 10000 was a frame minus wheels. His job entailed travelling behind the Twins during their first 150,000 miles on the Midland and West Coast main lines. This included initial runs from Derby down the Matlock line that is now Peak Rail. Now in his 98th year, Stan was at Rowsley on Peak Rail during October 2018 to take part in filming for a future Society video and sign a Royal Scot booklet dating from 1949.

    On the 1st of June 1949 the Twins hauled their first Royal Scot train from London to Glasgow. Here is a BBC recording made that day. Stan is the younger engineer climbing aboard at the start.


    The Royal Scot was a prestige express on which businessmen and celebrities often travelled. Stan recalls seeing actress Dorothy Lamour travelling behind 10000. However his eyes did not linger on the rich and famous since when the Twins were running well there were regular checks to be made and notes to be taken during every trip, particularly the temperatures of exhaust and water systems on each cylinder and turbo.

    Stan recalls that the Twins’ first Royal Scot was a particularly heavy train, including three carriages full of VIPs. During that run staff from the railway company took VIP passengers up to the lead loco in groups of 4 people at a time, walking through the connecting nose end doors of both locos. It was very noisy within each engine compartment and ear defenders were unheard of. While passing the first three cabs the opportunity was taken to explain all the controls, but during their visit to the foremost driving cab the VIPs were not permitted to speak or otherwise distract the driver.

    Stan recalls that during the outward run to Glasgow a problem developed on the journey toward Glasgow. The errant part was a feeder pipe to an air reservoir for pneumatic contacts. This impacted the transfer of power from the generator to the traction motors. As a result one of the Twins was unable to contribute traction for a period. Luckily this was not during one of the heavily graded sections of track. So, for a time, one loco was pulling the heavy train plus its dead twin. The pipe was temporarily repaired using chewing gum and tourniquets, with a coat placed casually over it so the VIPs wouldn’t see it. Fortunately they were able to do this repair while the LMS’ guides were having their coffee break, so no VIPs passed during the repair work. A proper repair was carried out overnight and they took the precaution of improving the feed connection on the other loco to prevent a recurrence.

    The Society recently obtained a copy of British Railways' handbook of this initial diesel-hauled Royal Scot run, which Stan duly signed during his visit to Rowsley, appropriately sitting in a NRM-owned LMS carriage. The booklet is marked as the copy handed to T.F.B. Simpson, Works Superintendent at Derby from 1947.

    In January 2019 Stan is launching a fundraising campaign to raise £100,000 in time for his 100th birthday (March 2020) to raise capital with which to buy components from locomotives which are soon to be withdrawn from mainline service. He will be attending the Society AGM on the 23rd of March 2019 at 1pm in the Aston Court Hotel in Derby and will be available to talk with members and visitors.
     
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    There are opportunities for you to get involved in this project. https://lms10000.co.uk/help-needed
    • Diesel locomotive engineers
    • Fundraising specialists
    • Someone with experience reclaiming Gift Aid
    • Local volunteers in Derby/Derbyshire
    Also on the web page we explain the covered accomodation we are looking for to store and restore parts.
    https://lms10000.co.uk/help-needed
     
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    I'm very glad to say that thanks to some great donations, large and small, we now have the funding in place to purchase the bogies, and we have contacted the EM2 Society to start price negotiations. We have also requested permission to carry out a closer inspection of the bearings and bolster supports. On superficial examination the bogies seem to be in good condition considering their long period of outdoor storage. One item that will definitely need to be replaced is the springs, as 10000 will be heavier than the class 77 the bogies were designed to carry. We are in the process of getting in quotes for the initial refurbishment of the bogies, and we would like to replace the springs at the same time, so this will be our next fundraising target. In the meantime, thanks for all your donations, and hopefully we will have some good news for you all soon! Mark Walker, Chairman
     
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    Great that this is moving forward
     
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    Just one question, how do you know you've raised the funds when you haven't negotiated a price for them yet?

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    Enough raised to cover the likely range of prices, but just needing to agree the final one?
     
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    Something like that, yes!
     
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    Please feel free to offer constructive comment -

    I'm composing a magazine advert and leaflet re the English Electric loco 10000. Does it hit the right note ? Would it inspire donations or not ?
    I think it's essential to honour and represent one of EE's railway engineers as well as raise pennies for the reconstruction, so I'm feeling a bit daunted. Any constructive comments welcome.

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=10UsTHMjr4L9Xypc-k-w_aGXFXNM6Vb7T
     
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    A little "over the top" perhaps but how about the appeal based around "I was there at 10000's beginning; will you help recreate 10000 before my end ?" - with apologies to Stan Fletcher to whom no offence is intended.
     
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    Thankyou for the clarification. I hope you guys manage to get a low price, so that you have plenty left over to spend on the springs and overhaul work!

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    Great news - many congratulations!
     
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    LMS10000 - Flash Fundraising Campaign - update 1

    Following the receipt of a quotation yesterday we now have a more accurate estimate for the cost of moving, stripping, inspecting, cleaning and painting the bogies, including removal of the traction motors and the production of reports into the condition of the bogies frames, motors, wheelsets and bearings. The whole process will cost approximately £7500.

    The good news is – following the receipt of some great donations and a long term and interest free loan from one of our Trustees, we currently have just over £3,320 put aside towards this work already, leaving us needing around £4,180.

    As always, anything you are able to donate is much appreciated. If everyone on this page put in a fiver, we would have it done

    You can donate via this link: https://lms10000.co.uk/news/f/good-news-at-christmas

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    The Ivatt Diesel Re-creation Society - President's Centenary Appeal

    This week we are launching our largest fundraising endeavour to make the re-created 10000 a reality.
    This campaign is aimed at the wider enthusiast community. We need a variety of parts from English Electric designs, particularly classes 20 and 37. When such parts are put up for sale there will not be time to raise the money. We must have it in advance.

    You can be part of this important project as we reach a critical time to acquire as many components as possible. We encourage you to join us on this fascinating journey to make 10000 a reality, either by donating to the fund or sharing this campaign with your friends and through social media and chat boards.

    Stan Fletcher, who was the commissioning engineer on 10000 and now our President, is fronting the appeal to raise the required funds.
    Follow the link below to read about his work with English Electric and 10000 - and about his appeal: https://lms10000.co.uk/presidents-appeal
     
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    Might be teaching you to suck eggs, but if there are a serious number of components out of a Class 20 or 37 have you also considered buying a donor loco in a single deal and breaking it for all the parts, which may end up cheaper than buying each chunk required as they come up for sale? I would imagine it would have to be the "right" loco to make the figures stack up, I would guess a Class 37 that is mechanically complete but with scrap bogies and knackered bodywork may prove ideal. Good luck with the fundraising, very sensible indeed to get the funds in advance so that you can be a "cash buyer" when the parts do become available in the future.
     
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    Is there any spare equipment from the class 37 that is being used by the Baby Deltic project?
    Ray.
     
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    Not too sure any of it would fit 'the cabbage', Ray.:D
     

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