John Bunch's Southern Moguls

the best Stephen can hope for is a working visit from 41213 , same as it would be nice to see 34070 visit the MHR, but no one should say they wish any engine would leave any railway to add to their collection at the cost of another railway, at the end of the day its down to the owner as to where they decide to base their engines and the agreements in force , and unlike 41312, if the T3 were to come to Ropley, it would most likily be at the expense of another NRM loco that would have to return to York.

 

I think some people take this far too seriously. I would like to see 41312 move to Swanage, 21B wants the T3 to come to the mid Hants, some people want Lord Nelson painted Brunswick green, some people want Waddon to come back from Canada, some people want the Binbrook crab restored etc etc.

Of course all these things are up to the owners in question, but there is nothing wrong with a bit of light heartened discussion on our personal dreams, on what is after all, a discussion forum.

Getting back on topic, any news on when the moguls will be moving to Swanage?

 

My glass was neither half full nor half empty, just love SR mixed traffic engines, like the U-Boats.

 

Regarding whats been put about shed/workshop space, will a shed/workshop not be built on the old LPG/oil site at Furzebrook?

 

That is the plan eventually, money and planning permission dependent. I expect the old oak common turntable will be sited there too.

When permission was originally granted for it to be used by BP, it was on condition that the land was returned to heathland when no longer required for the purpose.

Dorset county council seem willing to work this condition, as they see swanage railways need for these facilities.

 

In the meanwhile is there room in herston works for 31874 ? how much space do SLL actually use i ask because you would expect that the N would if going by road , be delivered direct to the works if the plan is still to overhaul her by 2017 the soomer they get her into the works the sooner they can strip it ,
whats the rules on towing engines with frame defects on NR? because as long as the engines have UA exams on the axles, 31625 is already on tops, could all 3 be towed to swanage, 31806 can be in steam, but the problem is that 31625 has lost its tender to 31806, so could she be sandwiched between 2 other engines i ask because the cost of 1 rail movement may be cheaper than 6 low loader movements

 

31625 has now gained the unfinished tender which was at the end of Ropley head shunt.

 

does that tender have any brakes?
i am just wondering how they will be moved to Swanage, as both railways are rail conected i was wondering if they might be moved together in a rail movement? it would be easier than several low loader movements assuming they have had UA Inspections

 

From memory and I can't say for sure. There isn't any brakes on it but I'm sure someone else on the forum could shed more light on to the history of the tender.

 

The chassis was an ex schools class tender snowplow and if my memory is right the top was cut off and a new tank make at Swindon for it the idea was for it to go behind 31625 but there were mistakes made with the tank when it was built that would have meant a lot of work to rectify, so the tender from 31806 , which by now had been withdrawn was used instead after having the raves cut and replaced with inset plates . the tender was never finished off im not sure what the defect was but i believe at the time it was said that it would have needed full re construction

 

As far as I am aware, cracked frames would prevent a rail move. I am not 100% sure but am aware that diesels have been prevented from rail moves over NR metals due to cracked frames .

From: http://www.cfps.co.uk/40012.htm

"Since preservation 40012 has visited various rail centres and private railways for open days and galas. The loco had serious bogie frame fractures at the end of her BR career, and the CFA faced real problems in March 1995: 40012 failed a main line inspection for the return journey after visiting the Mid Hants. Railway, despite passing the inspection for the outward journey. The situation effectively resulted in a movement 'ban' from the main line after her eventual return, preventing the loco from visiting other railways."

 

All 3 locos & all 3 tenders will be moved by road.
31874 will be overhauled in Herston Works.
31625 & the part tender will be stored at a private site until 31874 is finished.

 

Led to believe 31625 will go to a private site in the Poole area.

 

I wondered if 31625 will go to the same private site as both cunrader and 92207 are stored too

 

a little bit of historical interest, if the plan is to swop the boilers between 31874 and 31625 , that will be reuniting both engines with their original boilers the boiler on 31625 was originally on the N, The one fitted to 31625 had a copper plate rivetted repair from BR days ok for preserved railway use, but not for NR so a boiler swop had to be done .

 

Not the best of shots (but without a PTS, it's difficult to get reasonable shots of the headshunt locos)
31625 with the unfinished tender.
Edited in view of DD's request.

 

You cant see why I might take offence at the remark? Really?

The NRM situation is very different indeed. They occasionally honour railways with a loan of a locomotive, and we have been lucky enough to be allowed two. However, I think most people would agree that borrowing an out of service locomotive to return it to service, run it and then return it to the NRM is different to swiping a locomotive that will shortly be in service from another line. Mr Bunch's locomotives are different again as the agreement has come to an end (very nearly) and quite reasonably are moving to a new home. I have no issue with that.

 

No I really can't see why you took offence.

It was just a passing comment that it would be nice to have 41312 at swanage.

I'm sure the Mid hants have signed a long agreement with the owner, to get their money's worth after the overhaul. So no risk of it being swiped as you put it.

Once this agreement comes to an end, then as you said you won't have a problem what happens.

I''ve heard a lot of people from the Mid hants say they would like 30053. Again unlikely to happen, but I don't have a problem with them dreaming about it.

 

Ah but the way you worded your original post, came across as trying to ruffle a few feathers. You could have mentioned any Mickey Mouse tank for that matter instead of specifically mentioning 41312.
In football it would have been described as tapping up.
Anyway if or was meant as a bit of light hearted thinking out loud and banter, then no problem. Just be slightly more carefull in wording things in future.

 

Certainly not trying to ruffle any feathers, but it seems I struck a raw nerve!

41312 is the only surviving Mickey mouse that ran on the swanage branch in BR days I believe. Several photos exist of it there. So that is why I mentioned it.

Is 31625 still in red James livery?