If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

K&ESR Yank Tank - LMR No.300

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by ahardy, Nov 30, 2017.

  1. Paul42

    Paul42 Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    3,990
    Likes Received:
    519
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    East Grinstead
  2. Miff

    Miff Well-Known Member Friend

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2008
    Messages:
    1,753
    Likes Received:
    1,044
    When Wainwright’s (or is it now Frank?) overhaul was started my unreliable memory seems to recall it being said it was intended to last for a period considerably less than 10 years before major boiler or perhaps firebox work would be required. Is this still the case, or was the plan changed (the overhaul may well have taken longer if additional work was done)?
     
  3. Fireline

    Fireline Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2008
    Messages:
    706
    Likes Received:
    112
    Gender:
    Male
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Working: 1638, 25, 300, Norwegian, 32678.
    Under overhaul: 22, 1556, 4253, Charwelton, Marcia. (Outside contract work to be done on the last two?)
    Waiting: 32670, 23, 6619, 5668.
     
    Miff and Wenlock like this.
  4. Fireline

    Fireline Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2008
    Messages:
    706
    Likes Received:
    112
    Gender:
    Male
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    When 1638 had an overhaul, it was to be turned round as quickly as possible, to help cover the shortage. As a result, some things were temporarily fixed, or deferred. It was intended that the engine would only have to run two years before withdrawal again. However, 300 and 25 have taken a lot longer to be finished than was ever envisaged. It is believed that 22 is in very good condition, particularly the boiler, and may require a minimal overhaul to go again. We should also get 4253 in 2020, which would mean that we would have a resource we have never had before.
     
    Wenlock likes this.
  5. martin1656

    martin1656 Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2014
    Messages:
    8,820
    Likes Received:
    4,876
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    St Leonards
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Under overhaul? 1556 dumped in the field dismantled at least the last time i saw it, i call under overhaul actually having work done on it, so under overhaul, actually having work done? what engines, and i wsnt aware 25 was actually finished and in service , a far more overhaul accurate description would be in traffic 1638, 300 Norwegian, 32678, awaiting overhaul everything else, only 4253 is actually having work done with 32678 and possibly 1638 having to come out in the next 12-18 months, as regards the time it took to overhaul 300 and 25 can be blamed on " internal" issues to do with the railway and how decisions made , for instance you have only a very small pool of people in loco , so why try to work on 2 engines when you know you have problems
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2018
  6. Fireline

    Fireline Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2008
    Messages:
    706
    Likes Received:
    112
    Gender:
    Male
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    1638 will have to be withdrawn, without the option. The work done was not enough to see her to a full 10 years. Charwelton is already out of ticket, following the problems with the boiler. The ticket cannot be said to be running. It will be fixed, and a new ticket will go on. The P class needs to be fixed sharpish, or we may well run short of small engines, but we can always use a bigger engine on a small service. It can't be done the other way round. That said, we could always borrow 813 again.....
     
    Wenlock likes this.
  7. Fireline

    Fireline Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2008
    Messages:
    706
    Likes Received:
    112
    Gender:
    Male
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Martin, 1556 is under overhaul. Whether that overhaul is live or paused, it is under overhaul. 22 is under active overhaul already, so you're wrong on that, too. 4253 is under a very committed overhaul. Charwelton needs work that is beyond Rolvenden's capabilities, hence the involvement of outside contractors. Marcia's boiler has gone to outside contract in order to expedite the repair.
     
    Steve and Rosedale like this.
  8. Wenlock

    Wenlock Active Member Friend

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2008
    Messages:
    839
    Likes Received:
    272
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Bus Driver
    Location:
    Loughton Essex
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    25 has been sufficiently completed to have already had some running in mileage, there will no doubt be some minor 'snagging' faults to correct before full service, but I would say available for this season.

    One factor that has improved the situation recently is that the committed team who have been working on 4253 have also started assisting with work on other locos at times that more volunteers have been on site than can realistically work on 4253 at the same time. Such as painting of 25 and the Ruston diesel amongst no doubt other little jobs which relieves the pressure on the loco department who carry out most of the overhaul work on the companies running fleet.
     
  9. Steve

    Steve Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2006
    Messages:
    8,437
    Likes Received:
    2,802
    Occupation:
    Gentleman of leisure, nowadays
    Location:
    Near Leeds
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Martin, I always thought that you had much experience of heritage railways and overhaul work. If so, you will know that simply working on one loco does not work. The very nature of volunteering means that on one day you will have one person, and on the next, fifteen or more. You cannot find work for all fifteen on one loco so you have to have other things for them to do, unless you send them home or give half of them a sweeping brush. (Do not substitute a paint brush as too many of them can't paint properly!) Yes, you can prioritise on which loco but you need a variety of work on several fronts to get the most out of your volunteer workforce. In my limited experience the KESR maintenance management is one of the best and most organised, unless things have changed since my last visit to Rolvenden.
     
    BrightonBaltic, jnc and Wenlock like this.
  10. flying scotsman123

    flying scotsman123 Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    4,955
    Likes Received:
    3,945
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cheltenham, or Sheffield
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Glad someone else recognises this!
     
    gwalkeriow likes this.
  11. Steve

    Steve Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2006
    Messages:
    8,437
    Likes Received:
    2,802
    Occupation:
    Gentleman of leisure, nowadays
    Location:
    Near Leeds
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Most people can't plaster but when you see their painting, you might think so!
     
  12. ilvaporista

    ilvaporista Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    2,816
    Likes Received:
    754
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    C.Eng
    Location:
    On the 45th!
    Too true! I think the nicest thing anybody said about my plastering was "well you were not afraid to give it a go..."
     
  13. gwalkeriow

    gwalkeriow Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    1,132
    Likes Received:
    937
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired.
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
  14. martin1656

    martin1656 Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2014
    Messages:
    8,820
    Likes Received:
    4,876
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    St Leonards
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Well Gary, i can assure you my painting is of a very high standard , ;) nothing irritates me more than having to correct other peoples attempts at painting, i have come across such things as bits of break rigging still covered in track muck with paint on top , the Norwegions tender frames with paint that peeled off in sheets because the steel hadnt been degreased, large areas missed , the drag box not needle gunned and the paint came off in lumps , and not prepared properly , gloss on bare metal
     
  15. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Messages:
    13,709
    Likes Received:
    15,462
    Location:
    21C102
    I don't really follow KESR loco affairs in much detail, but I'd be very cautious about blaming "poor planning". It's one thing to be able to accurately predict future loco availability if you are Crewe works in 1952, and have costings for individual packages of work on every loco type down to the third decimal place; a known labour and resource situation and are dealing with classes of scores or hundreds of near-identical locos in each class. Quite another to try to manage timelines when you have a small fleet of individually unique locos and a labour and resource situation that may vary according to the balance between volunteer and paid staff on a day-to-day basis, the progress of appeals and so on. Managing all that is a far from trivial task: frankly, I'm sometimes amazed not that individual railways occasionally have a loco shortage, but that across the whole industry, it happens as comparatively rarely as it does.

    Tom
     
    Hampshire Unit and Bluenosejohn like this.
  16. flying scotsman123

    flying scotsman123 Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    4,955
    Likes Received:
    3,945
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cheltenham, or Sheffield
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Best I ever found was a patch of moss painted over in gloss white! :) I get grumpier about shoddy lining out, but I won't go there...
     
  17. 240P15

    240P15 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2017
    Messages:
    398
    Likes Received:
    362
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Norway
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    andrewshimmin and 3855 like this.
  18. alts1985

    alts1985 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2007
    Messages:
    1,424
    Likes Received:
    97
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Store Manager for the Co-operative Group
    Location:
    Crawley
    Wenlock and Bluenosejohn like this.
  19. pete12000

    pete12000 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    738
    Likes Received:
    128
  20. RLinkinS

    RLinkinS New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2008
    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    188
    Gender:
    Male
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    LMR 300 on Saturday 17 February creating a splash of colour in a winters landscape between Wittersham and Rolvenden. DSC_5537a.jpg




    Also at Orpin's crossing. DSC_5556a.jpg
     
    andrewshimmin, pmh_74, ghost and 3 others like this.

Share This Page