Krupp TE-class 2-8-0

Anything still kicking around in whatever sort of state?

 

See here for a wide range of Egyptian steam (not mine, just something I found):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124446949@N06/albums/72157654260037961

Note the ESR's locos were designed by their own CMEs - often British - and just ordered from whoever submitted the best quote. This was the same with many "overseas British" type railways from South America, Africa, Asia....

 

almost all those locos would look just right on a UK preserved line. How about the Pannier Tanks and what about the Columbine lookalike!

 

Andrew, can you find any info on who those CMEs were? I've seen that Flickr gallery before, but there's no info on designers.

 

From memory (so hope right!):
F.H.Trevithick at the beginning of the century (I think grandson of...), who designed the classically British 0-6-0 and 4-4-0 with inside cylinders and outside frames, and later some more modern 4-4-0 and 4-6-0. Later R.G.Peckitt who designed the main series of Atlantics (and the 2-6-2T I think).
Original 4-4-2 were a Cail product, essentially a standard deviation Glehn Atlantic.

 

Those NBL Singles look absolutely lovely, as do many of the other types on those pages! I couldn't help but smile at the incongruity between the footplate height and tender shovelling plate height of the American (Baldwin?) 2-6-0 on the first page though!
The double-framed 0-6-0s looked very GWR, as did the pannier tanks. Altogether a very interesting collection of photographs.
The Montreal Locomotive Co.'s 4-6-0 looks a really nicely proportioned machine to my eyes too.

Richard.

 

You're not wrong about that 'Yankee' mogul! I get visions of some poor little Egyptian kid paid next to nothing to sit in tbe trench behind the footplate to hoik coal up from the tender to the fireman's shovel!!

Superb collection of photos though. In the one of the substantial passenger service, the leading carriage almost looks like a GW railmotor trailer.

 

This very interesting discussion has prompted me to finally order my own copy of "Middle East Railways" by Hughes...
Here some more info on the Egyptian railways: http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/r050.html and http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Egyptian_State_Railways
Here some info on the CMEs, Trevithick: https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Frederick_Harvey_Trevithick, CE Spurgeon: https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Christopher_Edward_Spurgeon, Robert Bonar: https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Robert_Bonar

 

So do we know who designed which types?

 

I may know next week when my book arrives!
Trevithick I think designed (or rebuilt) the outside framed 2-2-2, 2-4-0, 4-4-0 and 0-6-0 types, plus perhaps the panniers. Also the first (inside cylinder) 4-4-2s. I think he was also responsible for some 4-4-2T and the taper boiler inside cylinder 4-6-0s.
Not sure who commissioned the details Glehn Atlantics.
Peckitt designed the main series of 4-4-2, and I think also the 2-6-2T. I infer that he rebuilt the 4-4-2T as 4-4-0.
Spurgeon and/or Bonar come later, perhaps rebuilt a couple of 4-4-2 as 4-6-0 and maybe designed the 2-6-4T?
Some small classes of loco were speculative designs by loco firms.
There were some fine post-war French Pacifics as well.
All above is slightly guesswork by me, to be confirmed.