Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by 61624, Jan 17, 2018.
Hence my aversion to fictitious liveries: I've seen it in real life so it must be true.
Many years ago a group of GWS volunteers were at a model railway exhibition, and noticed that, bizarrely, all of the GWR Toads on one of the layouts there had red tops to their chimneys. This drew a comment from another visitor, who was quickly provided with the explanation that this was how Didcot painted them, and so it must be correct. Cue an exchange of puzzled glances between GWS members.
On returning to Didcot all became clear. It was the bean tin used to keep the rain out.
There was a long list of things, the train was filmed on the Mid Hants and formed of post war Bulleid and BR Mk1 stock. The Bluebell would have been a much better choice with its collection of period stock and Horsted Keynes could be made to look a lot more like Woking than the country station they used. I think the Spitfire was also out of period and in the aerial screens seemed to have an inexhaustible supply of ammunition, then there’s the mast on the beach.
I’m the same, even the newly disguised Galatea as Alberta is wrong being a short firebox Jubilee.
The railway sequences for Dunkirk were filmed at Harmans Cross and Swanage on the Swanage Railway
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Thanks, I assumed from the stock it was the Mid Hants but it was still not very convincing
Ah, but it is true, Galatea did carry that livery!
Just not in BR service...
Anyone who can't tell the difference between a modern photo and a pre 1968 one needs new glasses.
I'm massively relaxed about fictitious liveries, locos masquerading as other members of their class, etc. This is all just JGF, chaps. So long as we don't actually claim something is historically correct when it isn't. There are so many compromises with modernity inherent in still running steam at all that a few livery details don't matter to me.
Other opinions are available, perfectly valid, and possibly more defensible!
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If West Coast Railways decided to adopt a corporate livery and paint all their locos and stock in this livery, I'm sure that many would be up in arms. If I was mad enough and rich enough to form my own railway operating company and bought a load of redundant diesel locos and stock and painted them in my own corporate livery, as long as it was not too garish, I'm sure everyone would simply see it as giving them a new lease of life and (I hope) be pleased I'd done it. What's the difference?
You're too optimistic about enthusiasts' reactions to the diesel & LHCS liveries
The Spitfire was a Mk.1 and accurate for the Dunkirk period.
At least they got something right!
It was the bright plastic fenders on the boats that got me looking for further faults at an early stage when watching the film!
As I'd forgotten to take my glasses into the cinema I fortunately missed some of the other alleged anachronisms such as the container port in the distance and the TV aerials in Weymouth.
There were some interesting comments from all sorts of people about the blue livery of the DMU on the Epping Ongar in the early days.
As I told people at the time, 'the owners can paint their property any colour they like'. Personally (although I'd have gone for something more traditional if it were my choice) I thought it look quite nice and certainly stood out from a tree lined background.
As WCRC have done with their diesels! Or the KWVR did in their early days.
The difference is when people care more about certain things, they get more bothered when things are done differently to how they want it to be done.
Why is Galatea now pretending to be Alberta? Simply preference of the owner or is there some historical significance?
One of the last two Jubilees and many of us who were there will remember it’s exploits over the S&C in 1967. Galatea is a long firebox engine so not accurate to portray Alberta but 100% better than the meaningless red livery.
As I have zero interest in oilboxes, I’m not too bothered about the WC diesel livery. It does have the advantage of not making the diesel on the back of some steam tours less obtrusive
What makes the red livery meaningless?
It represents nothing in the locos history. Nothing wrong with the correct colour red, drop a digit from the number and LMS on the tender
So what about Leander in black? To my knowledge Jubes were never painted that colour either. But I thought she looked pretty damn good. As with Galatea and red. I don't have a problem with it personally, I'd rather the loco was painted something it wouldn't have carried before 1968 than it was perfectly accurate but static, cold, and lifeless, or in bits at the back of a shed somewhere forgotten about.
Several Jubilees were painted black in the early BR period along with s lot of other express locomotives. Leander was one of them
So if we hadn't had a Jube that was ever painted Black in preservation, would it be wrong to paint one that we did have that colour? What takes precedence, authenticity to a particular loco, or presenting different representations of what a loco design in general was presented as?
Also, how great a difference is there in length between the two firebox sizes? Is it really that noticeable?
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