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LMS 2P 4-4-0

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by joshs, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. Squiffy

    Squiffy New Member

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    Hypothetically, and just as a bit of fun, if someone was fortunate/mad enough to recreate a 2P, which incarnation would have the widest appeal? I’m looking at it from an S&D perspective (recreating Ivo’s finest images) but as with all assets they need to earn their keep so the option to hire out to the wider heritage community would make sense. So, MR or LMS build, saturated or superheated boiler, standard or smaller wheels, pre-nationalisation or BR livery? I take it from earlier posts on this thread that there is little point in it being mainline operational. Thoughts?
     
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    yeah. ....make it a 3p
     
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    Although they look very similar I have a soft spot for the earlier midland ones, it could be the tender with coal rails that I find attractive.
    I only ever saw one at the southern end of the Euston main line that was 40672 from Watford outside Willesden shed.
    They could frequently be seen double heading on the Midland main line out of St Pancras, and a visit to Kentish town shed would always produce a few of them lurking dejectedly in the middle round house.

    The 3F's (tender not tank) were attractive locos as well, would be excellent for a preserved line today.

    Happy days !!
     
  4. LesterBrown

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    Definitely as built, such as 2203 Class . The height of Victorian elegance.
     
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    30854 Part of the furniture

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    Naah .... on the standard gauge, that'd be the LSWR Ilfracombe Goods in original form (though the Adams rebuild was jolly handsome too, but you'd expect that). No point in arguing, as in matters of purely subjective personal taste, I'm always right! :D

    original_ilfracombe_goods.jpg
    [Image courtesy colonelstephenssociety.co.uk - a fascinating website btw]
     
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    "I don't have to have reasons for my prejudices - if I had reasons, it wouldn't be prejudice!"

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    The handbrake on both loco and tender is interesting - apparently an original fitting.

    I can see you might be able to interest Swedish and even Australian rail fans in a new build ;)

    Bradley notes three interesting accidents to befall the class in their early days. In one, No. 283 killed a stray bullock near Tipton St Johns, without other damage to the locomotive - the farmer sold the carcass to a local butcher for £8 but then billed the LSWR for £28; the locomotive committee successfully fought the bill.

    Next was a derailment of No. 282 on some stone blocks that had been left on the line near Barnstaple Quay station. "The culprits, three local lads, were later apprehended and the following day thrashed by their respective fathers in the presence of the station master."

    Then, No. 324 at Exeter was inadvertently turned into the cattle dock rather than a carriage siding, "saving the local abattoir considerable time and expense for eleven sheep and five bullocks".

    Tom
     
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    I have a soft spot for Mr. Adams' tender conversions of Beattie Well tanks. Actually, I'll admit that almost any Adams LSW class has a certain something about it (maybe not the Ironclads).
    BTW there is a bit of a Jumbo still in existence:
    IMG_0399.JPG IMG_0400.JPG
    Salvaged from a 25T brake van (built 1934) being scrapped at Woking. Does this mean that I can start a rebuild project?
    Pat
     
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    Prejudice .... moi? How very dare you? Sir! :Punch: ..... and to clear myself of your scurrilous charge, here's a gratuitous shot of one of the Adams rebuilds. Pretty, or what?

    rebuilt_ilfracombe.jpg

    [This one also courtesy of the colonelstephenssociety.co.uk .... thanks guys]
     
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    Nine Elms 1900 apparently. The Adams pattern duplicate numberplate (0282) is something of a rarity, apparently only four LSWR locos got those (as opposed to the number being painted directly onto the cab).

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    Was that ballast weight in the brake van?

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    To get back on topic... 1280px-4-4-0_Midland_Beatrice_1757.jpg
     
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    Yes, along with a collection of broken drill bits, chisels and general iron junk. The other van broken up at the time (both involved in a nasty shunting accident at Aldershot) was wartime Pillbox, which had concrete ballast. No surprise there. Being in the PW gang next to the C&W had its attractions!
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    S'pose this is where this digression boogies across to a dedicated Col.Stephens thread.:)
     
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    Adams Radial Tank for the win. Which Col Stephens also had one of...
    JOOI, did it have an (other) Adams radial truck?
    (also, it is just me, or for one who penned such beautiful engines, Adams really did phone in the front spectacles?)

    Back to topic, Midland engines pre-Deeley look much prettier, never been a fan of the look of the boilers with the dogged fixings.
     
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    Just EKR No. 5. (Successively 488, 0488, 5, 3488, 30583, 488, 30583, and counting ... ...)
    Pat
     
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    While we're on the subject of lightweight 0-6-0s but getting back to the Midland, note that Johnson provided the SDJR with a class smaller than the standard Midland 2F 0-6-0. First batch built by Neilson, so nicknamed "Scotties". Should look good in SDJR blue!

    https://railway-photography.smugmug...s/Johnson-design-for-the-SDJR-0-6-0/i-jQXpqQq
     
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