LMS 45036 Inspection Saloon

I wonder how many of us are at risk after spending time at Barry?

 

Not just at Barry, Bryan. Think of the number of asbestos joints some of us have made or cleaned up joint faces contaminated with asbestos. Thankfully things have moved on since then. I presume the sleeper is still at the S&C so I assume that they have the legal responsibility if someone starts to mess around with a contaminated vehicle?
I admit to knowing next to nothing about decontaminating a carriage but, from what I've read, it involves major stripping of the interior by certified operatives and costs in the order of 10's of thousands. I wonder if Stuart realizes what he has taken on.
Cheers,
Ray.

 

I’m no expert but wouldn’t Stuart, and whoever owns the land his coach is on, be responsible for working with the asbestos in a safe manner? If he is going to start putting in windows etc and disturbs asbestos fibres, thus endangering anyone else in the area wouldn’t the HSE take a dim view of it? Edit - Marshall5 got there first!

 

Think Stuart needs to take some advice from Asbestos Alf!

 

Realise that Ray.
What I was meaning was the amount of people that had been wandering around the yard at Barry on a nice hot sunny day, walking through the dust particles drifting around the yard.

 

1. Set up Facebook page
2. Have social media war with people trying to be helpful.
3. Wait six months
4. Give up.

 

Well I personally hope someone does take on the LMS Sleeping coach as there is nobody at the Swindon and Cricklade interested in it. It was originally acquired to use as volunteer accommodation but they found nobody used it probably because most of the working members live locally so no reason to stay overnight there. I believe the railway has had an asbestos report done on it but I don't have any of the details of this. It may not have that much in it I don't know. It isn't radioactive, so it can be dealt with. I went recently to visit HMS Belfast and if you go down in the Engine rooms of the ship (which is all open to the public) every pipe in there is lagged with asbestos and marked as such but presumably they must have been advised that providing it isn't disturbed then it is okay to leave it there.

If someone takes it on I wish them well as it is one of many vehicles on preserved lines rotting away with nobody doing anything and we all know what happens to such items eventually. If someone does get it then they will need to move it elsewhere to work on it as I cant see the railway supporting it staying there.

 

That is the crux of the matter ‘providing it isn’t disturbed’. How do you work on a carriage without disturbing any asbestos present? The asbestos on HMS Belfast will be sealed in an outer painted skin, none of the fibres will be open to the atmosphere.

 

I would've thought that the legal responsibility would lie with the owner? From the recent history of this vehicle, the S&C want it gone asap, and there were figures of £50k mentioned for asbestos removal - not sure if @stuartreeder has done his due diligence to find that out...
The comments by Stuart that the asbestos won't be a problem as the layout isn't changing really shows the naivity-how are rotten structural members to be replaced, how would wiring and plumbing be achieved without removing panels.
It would have been so much easier to get a grounded body and mount it on the inspection saloon underframe (as suggested by others earlier on this thread) rather than lumber yourself with a massively expensive restoration of a vehicle that, at the end of the day no-one really wants or can use in their trains.

Here's a quote from March last year which I think is quite telling: https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/lms-45036-inspection-saloon.165378/page-5#post-1773899

And there's the Barclay with no boiler that needs to be moved (again) and the just giving appeal (another one) for everyone to pay for Stuart's project.

You could make a good sitcom from this...I just fail to see how anyone thinks they could restore these basket cases without serious money and listening to advice (not just the things you want to hear)

Keith