Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Gav106, Apr 10, 2011.
None of which were named after events in WWII
Neither were the S.R. Battle of Britain 4-6-2s. However, the LMS Royal Scots were all named before WW2 and most were famous Regiments from WW2. The Lovat Scouts etc.
Individually no, but as a class ...
Sorry, the use of the word 'events' was ambiguous. The SR named a complete class of engines after the 'Battle of Britain' and the GW renamed some of its 'Castles' after aircraft. The regiments and other military bodies that the 'Royal Scots' commemorate did, of course, continue to distinguish themselves during WWII and still are, although not always under the same names.
But the core of the argument, was, and remains, that the LMS didn't name or re-name any locomotives after WWII as a form of commemoration, nor did it have any plans to do so.
But, in 1941 6244 City of Leeds was given the name King George VI for patriotic reasons.
Also in August 1940, Patriot Class No 5543 received the name Home Guard.
Hmm, perhaps I should have been rather more clear in what I was trying to say, my fault. The 1st Patriot's nameplates were taken from an LNWR Claughton "Patriot" with the additional wording "In memory of the fallen LNWR employees 1914-1919." This was the tradition to which I was referring.The 45551 Patriot project is continuing this in a way and, had the LMS continued rather than be nationalised, it might well have continued this too but I have never seen any article to say one way or the other.
The 2nd Patriot was named "St Dunstans" to commemorate the hospital of that name which did and still does, look after UK military personnel suffiering eye injury/blindness - a savage by-product of WWI gas warfare amongst other things.
I'm also aware of at least another locomotive named in the same vein "Remembrance" which I believe started life as a LBSCR tank locomotive.
Anyway, having attended my local service this morning in a packed church on a sunny day, I can count my blessings. My father, who is 92, attended with me. Interestingly, he served in an Achilles class cruiser for several years before and during WWII, its name : HMS ORION! (also a Jubilee IIRC) I will be even more blessed when I see 45551 in steam for the 1st time. Let's do it.
GCR Class 9P No 1165 was named 'Valour' as a memorial to the companies employees that gave their lives in WWI
Indeed Martin, I'd forgotton about the GCR and their "Valour". Again I have seen this nameplate on a modern class 66 or "shed" or whatever they are called. It looked impressive.
Thank you for the explanation of 'St Dunstans', I have always thought it was a school.
Replica 'plates - at least one of the originals can be seen in the NRM great hall - along with 'Home Guard' amongst others.
The LNER also renamed A4 No. 4496 (BR 60008) from "Golden Shuttle" to "Dwight D Eisenhower" in honour of the Supreme Allied Commander, Europe, responsible for the liberation of Western Europe, at the end of WWII.
Thankyou very much for all the info on locos/company's that were re named to honour people who were big players from the first world war to present day. But can we get back to just talking about the unknown warrior. Which Will be the only National memorial loco. We have been endorsed by the royal British legion and they don't think were using them to gain money. They very much like the idea. As I have said the original patriot was a memorial to the lnwr so to keep in tradition with the original we Will be a memorial loco aswell.
Worth mentioning, before we get back to the Unknown Warrior, that 48773 is dedicated to the memory of all British Military Railwaymen who died in WW2.
Thanks Gav each time I looked for an update I had to read this please folks stick to the subject
Just a thought Gav - if the NRM's plan to reunite the six A4s goes through, perhaps a gala of sorts with the A4 in question with 48773 and any other paraphanalia which relates to the war effort, and the railways. Could be a very informative and well received event if marketed carefully.
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