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Locomotives that should have been preserved, but weren’t.

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by 6220Coronation, Dec 15, 2021.

  1. Cartman

    Cartman Well-Known Member Account Suspended

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    I like the Midland 3F tender engine too, good choice
     
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    I have no idea what that means but it's a shame that was the case.
    Something to bring the crowds in was my 1st thought.
     
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    Quite a bit better. Four cylinders and smaller driving wheels ..... albeit offset with a decidedly non-standard boiler! Parts survived at Inchicore into the 1970s. A senior CIÉ official is on record as saying it should've been preserved as (a) the very last steam loco built at Inchicore and (b) it was so unusual.

    For my part, given the choice of saving just one additional CIÉ loco at the end of steam, the Turf Burner wouldn't have got a look in. It'd have come down to either an ex-MGW K/Ks 2-4-0 or ex-CBSC B4 4-6-0T (the last of each went in 1963 and no MGW or CBSC loco survives). The 2-4-0s were described in the 1948 report as: "Quite a good small passenger engine" and the iconic 'Bandon Tanks' as: "....primarily small but powerful passenger engines ..... Quite a good design"

    There were so many other worthy candidates besides.
     
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    There were numerous 0-10-0s built in many countries, including the world's single most prolific class of locomotive, the Russian/ Soviet E class (about 11,000 of them).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0-10-0

    On the basis of numbers, the biggest gap in the UK preservation record is an LNWR 0-6-0. There were once 943 Ramsbottom DX class (including 86 built for the L&Y), 500 Webb 17-inch coal engines and 310 Webb Cauliflowers.
     
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    Personally, here’s my picks for engines that should have been preserved.

    LNER: Great Northern, Papyrus, Silver Link, Silver Fox, a Raven A2, Hush Hush, a P1, and a J23/J50.
    LMS: Coronation, Duchess of Abercorn, and a Garratt.
    GWR: The Great Bear, and a Buffalo Tank.
     
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    Pete Thornhill Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Administrator Moderator Friend

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    When did it fall over? I hadn’t noticed anything?
     
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    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

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    It was definitely down for me for a while yesterday, but I can’t find a gap in “recent activity” when nothing was updated, so I’m wondering if it was eg one half of a clustered pair that was down, so only affected some users.

    Tom
     
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    Going the other way, it would have been interesting to see if the Paget sleeve-valve locomotive could have been made to work in preservation.

    Given some of the opinions I've seen quoted in the Thompson thread, I suspect there are those who'd assent to preserving the rebuilt Great Northern... but only if it was sectioned instead of Ellerman Lines :p
     
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    misspentyouth62 Well-Known Member

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    On the 12th day of Christmas my Santa Special brought for me.......

    Twelve (more) Merchant Navys,
    Eleven (more) Light Pacifics,
    Ten (more) Peppercorn classics,
    Nine (more) Flying Scotsmen,
    Eight (more) Jolly Jubs,
    Seven Wainwright wild-cards,
    Six Scottish Glenns,
    Five Copper Tops....
    Four Bulldog 'Birds'
    Three De Glenn's
    Two more Merchant Navys (yes I know!!)
    And a K class in a Sheffield Park.

    I've been careful to save my heritage diesels for next year not wanting to sound too greedy ;-)
     
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    Why do we even NEED to preserve The Great Bear?! We have so many Castles and two Kings, pointless if you ask me.

    As for The Buffalo Tank, I think we have enough ugly panniers (1369 and 1501) as it is.

    If you want to preserve any GWR engine, how about one that looks nice, thus so:[​IMG]
     
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    Very festive! :D
     
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    Many folk obviously prefer large post-grouping express passenger types, of which we already have a large number preserved.

    Under the "should have been preserved" label, I think the most worthy candidates are smaller pre-grouping types, many of which disappeared long ago. I see that another poster suggested a Johnson 0-4-4T. That would fit very well on a number of the smaller heritage lines in ex-MR territory (or even ex-GE territory, given that Johnson first developed the type when he was GE loco superintendent).
     
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    Awful lot of wide fireboxes there. A De Glehn would be interesting, though.
    Pat
     
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    While I'd like to have seen 6220 Coronation preserved, I do think to complement the 3 we have in their current conditions, 46256 Sir William A. Stanier F.R.S would have been nice as an example of an Ivatt Duchess.
     
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    I think it`s sad that none of Gresley`s 0-6-0 class J39 has been preserved, the single most numerous of any class for which Gresley was responible. (Next project for the 'Darlington team' ):) ;)
    And then we had the (in my opinion) beautiful looking Maunsell class N15x 4-6-0:Shy:

    If I may go otside the UK(?) the biggest mistake in steam preservation history (in my opinion) was to NOT preserve any of Andre Chapelon`s masterpieces 240P, 242A1 and 160A1....

    Knut:)
     
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    The N15x were 'half a P' short of useful and in any event, to a Brighton fan, a creation akin to that of Dr. Frankenstein!

    I'd agree wholeheartedly concerning Chapelon's locos and add the sad (and comparatively recent) loss of L.D.Porta's 4-8-0 Argentina
     
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    2861....
     
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    I'll look at should have, not what I'd really like. That to me means helping tell the story of railway development, not favourites I wish we had more of (on which I'd agree with most of what's already been said).

    I'll defer to the knowledge of others, especially @Jamessquared, on 19th century locomotive development, but we have far too little from that era. I will also put in a plea for that to include representation from the GWR's broad gauge empire. I'll then step through the BR survivors, and move from steam to diesel and electric. At which point, what really, really, should have been preserved were the Ivatt Twins, 10000 and 10001. Finally, because they form part of the story that slipped by, I'd like to see a representative one of the early NBL type 2 mainline diesel classes as part of the cautionary tale of the decline of the old guard of private manufacturers (it has to be NBL because Beyer Peacock and BRCW built basically good locomotives, but couldn't keep themselves going; NBL illustrates one of the themes of the decline of manufacturing in the UK).
     
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    Thank goodness these are never likely to hsppen!:Resistanceisfutile:
     

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