Locomotives with WW1 ROD service

I'm aware of a few locomotives in preservation that served with the Railway Operating Division in WW1, can anyone help with further details or mention any others?

GWR 43XX class 5322
SECR P class 27
SECR P class 753
North British Railway C class (later J36) 673 'Maude'

Possibly GWR 'Dean Goods' 2516?

 

To my knowledge 2516 managed to avoid ROD service (in both wars).

Other than that I think you've got the lot, I don't know if any of the three ROD 2-8-0s in Australia actually served, or whether they were built too late.

 

Further details: 27 was renumbered 5027 and sent to work as the dockyard shunted at Boulogne in April 1915, in the company of 753. They stayed for about a year I believe. Currently, work on restoring 27 has started after spending the last nearly 40 years dismantled and half-forgotten.

Tom

 

Dunno if it counts but Adams Radial tank 0488 joined the Ministry of Munitions in 1917....

Foxy

 

1984 did, photo here: The Robinson O4 (ROD) and O5 (GCR 8K and 8M) 2-8-0s (scroll down towards the end).
The other two, possibly not.

 

1984 did POSSIBLY. Built in 1918, was it actually used before loan to L&Y in 1919? WW1 ended in 1918...

 

NER T1 & J21, some LBSCR Terriers I think. Anyone know where to find a book on the subject/ lists?

 

According to W. A. T. Aves, The Railway Operating Division on the Western Front, 1984 and 2003 both worked in France, but neither until after the war. The last ROD Dean goods were 2458/84, withdrawn in May 1954. 108 of them were sent overseas in 1939, 6 ending up in Italy via Tunisia. 25 ended up in China from 1947, but 2516 did not serve abroad in either war.

David

 

As 10640 mentioned, the WAT Aves book is spot on;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Railway-Ope...9997/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361916680&sr=8-1

Had forgotten about the Australian 8K's, thanks

 

I have somewhere something which states that it was shipped to France, but as it was only built in 12/18 it must be debatable what it actually did there! 2003 was built a month earlier but there seems to be some debate about whether it (and 2004) went to France or straight into store.

EDIT: Just read the other replies, apologies! Another book for the shopping list, then.

 

In the immediate post-war period the ROD continued operations in the withdrawal of the BEF and in fact in the provision of passenger and goods services for the locality until well into 1919, so a loco there only in 1919 could well have "served".

 

if it was only built in December 1918 then it did not serve in WW1.

 

(Deleted - see post 16)

 

But that doesn't mean it didn't "serve". A soldier who is never posted abroad, or spends his time in the forces during a time of peace, is still considered to have "served".

 

sorry to be pedantic but it didn't serve in WW1, it wasn't built then.

 

(Made such a big change to my original that re-posted as a new post)

The Terriers didn't go to the ROD - they went to the Admiralty.

Details as follows (from DL Bradley):

• 637 (class A1): Sold 2/1918 for £1,200 for use at Inverness, mileage 711,605. Derelict at Ardrossan by 6/1920, lettered "Mine Department, Grangemouth No. 5"
• 638 (class A1): Sold 2/1918 for £1,200 for use at Invergordon, mileage 617,185. By 11/1921 still in LBSC livery at Government Surplus Material Depot at Dalmuir, Dumbartonshire, sold 11/1923 for £470 to the Shropshire and Montgomeryshire Railway where it became No. 8 "Dido".
• 679 (class A1x): Sold 1/1918 for £1,200 for use at Invergordon, mileage 986,266. Noted in steam at Catterick Camp, 5/1919, and shunting at Chatham Dockyard 4/1920. Eventually broken up at Chatham in 10/1933, where latterly it had been supplying steam for a compressor near No 2. Graving Dock.
• 681 (class A1x): Sold 1/1918 for £1,200 for use at Inverness, mileage 895,107. Sold around 7/1921 to S&MR as No. 7 "Hecate".
• 683 (class A1x): Sold 1/1918 for £1,200 for use at Inverness, mileage 766,474. In store with 638 still in LBSC livery at Dalmuir, sold 11/1923 for £470 to teh S&MR where it became No. 9 "Daphne".

And in reference to the original question, of the locos concerned (LBSCR 37, 38, 79, 81, 83), none was preserved.

AFAIK, the only Terrier that definitely went abroad in pre-preservation times was old LBSCR 40 "Brighton", now preserved on the IoW as W11 "Newport", which was the Paris Gold Medal engine - but obviously not ROD!

OT: Bradley mentions that two other Terriers apart from No. 40 "are thought to" have gone abroad abroad - to the La Plata Tramway in South America, where one was supposedly observed as late as 1920. Perhaps when searching for "Lew", those looking could keep an eye out Terriers 52 and 57!

Tom

 

I never said it did!

 

I think the original list pretty much it. There are of course some engines which are preserved which are sister engines to ones that were sent. As well as the Dean Goods mentioned, some 'Brighton' E4 radiel tanks went out to France, now represent by 'Brich Grove'.

 

A lot of grayscale about this: there's service and active service - in harms way, and of course the war didn't formally end until the peace treaty in 1919, even if you don't count the fighting in the Russian Civil War which went on longer. So locomotives working in France in early 1919 were certainly on war service, but not active service. The 43 may have been close enough to the front to be counted as active service, maybe less so the others. However are we forgetting the narrow gauge lines that ran right up close to the trenches? Any survivors from there?

 

Well maybe, but that probably better to put in with the narrow gauge threads....