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Lynton and Barnstaple - Operations and Development

Discussion in 'Narrow Gauge Railways' started by Old Kent Biker, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. Bikermike

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    "What we also found at Broadway was that while the heritage people who create in the end found themselves at odds with the users of the building, who had no interest in heritage, but rather their own comforts or perceived safety requirements"

    The awful people! How dare they think about their own health and safety... (that's either lost something in the telling or exposed a total failure in stakeholder communication there...)
     
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    Actually this is a serious divergence between aesthetics and historical accuracy, and health, safety and practicality. Round brass (or ceramic) doorknobs look brilliant, and are for the most part, the historically correct choice on pre 1950 buildings. they are also difficult to operate for many of advanced years, or suffering from arthritis. If the door and frame are anything other than perfectly true so there is a stiffness in the mechanism, they can be impossible.
    For this reason lever handles are stipulated (I believe mandatory) for any commercial or public access building, which most heritage railway buildings are. Whilst the legislation cannot be back-dated, and repair and like-for-like replacement are allowed, to fit a door knob to replace a lever handle will be an infringement.
    I do some sub-contract work for a locksmith. He has a nice line in lever handles to replace doorknobs without damaging anything. When I fit them, I label the doorknobs, wrap them in paper, in a box marked "Original Door Handles", and tell the householder they owe it to Bath to keep the box in the cupboard under the stairs/fuse cupboard etc. in case they need to be put back.
     
  3. Bikermike

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    Get all that, so how the heck was this missed in the build...?
     
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    ...or in the interpreting.

    I assumed Breva's point was their lack of interest in heritage. Do you actually believe he was criticising their concern for safety?
     
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    My point is that if you build something without consideration for the end-user, it's gone very wrong somewhere. To use the term "perceived safety" as a lower priority than heritage doesn't suggest much communication was had
     
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    To put the term "perceived safety" in some kind of context, I suspect @Breva had in mind things like reasons given why we couldn't have an authentic canopy at Broadway, one thing was it was said we had to have a full height wall (rather than the gap between the canopy roof and the top of the building) due to fire regulations. Somehow, in the end we managed it after all... But I agree, communication between those who want to provide heritage stuff and those who will actually use it is key.
     
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    Sad news but totally understandable. I would, however, hope that trains will, in fact, be running in the foreseeable future.....
     
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    Quite understandable, but regrettable nonetheless.

    Curiously....BANES has also gone into Tier 3 today <groan>, but the S&DRHT at Midsomer Norton have reported that they have received clearance from the Council to run their Mince Pie specials on Jan 1st as planned. o_O
     
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    The DFR were operating in tier 3 so not a complete surprise, although now they are in tier 4 are unable to operate anymore.
     
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    The rules for Tier 3 say (in part):

    Outdoor entertainment venues, such as botanical gardens and heritage sites, may stay open, although indoor elements at these attractions must also close.​

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    hospitality settings, such as bars (including shisha bars), pubs, cafes, restaurants, and social clubs must close except for takeaway, delivery, drive-through and click and collect services.
    With those conditions, a heritage railway may clearly still run in Tier 3; however, whether they choose to run would be dependent on factors like how important is sit-down catering to their overall viability; how important are indoor attractions such as museums to providing visitor value for money; can they get sufficient volunteers (given that volunteers from neighbouring areas may be under travel restrictions); and where do their major passenger flows come from and are they under more significant restrictions. Ultimately that is a decision for each railway individually - so not massively surprising if one railway in tier 3 decides to operate and another chooses to close.

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    Midsomer Norton is within the B&NES area but just a smidgen to the south of the station is the district of Mendip which has now been placed in tier 4. <BJ>
    Map and Details for Mendip District Council Local Authority (geopunk.co.uk)
     
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    Out of curiosity, I took a look at the ...co.uk website rather than the ...org.uk one today.

    My initial impression was that it seemed to be promoting 'business as usual', even talking about trains 'in the New Year'. Nothing at all on the Home page or in the 'News' about closure due to Tier 3. You have go to the Special Events page to find a reference to the railway being 'closed until further notice' part the way down the page after a statement that "We will be operating trains over the Christmas and New Year period".

    Surely such information should be far more prominent and visible without the need to search for it?
     
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    There is actually a link on the 'Home' page on the 'co.uk' site under latest news which notes that the railway is closed. The decision not to complete the post Christmas/New Years Day operations was partly due to the fact that the Somerset (including West Somerset) area moved into tier 4, while Devon moved into tier 3, and, as some of the rostered staff came from the tier 4 area that may have been a factor in the decision. Updates to the 'co.uk' and 'org.uk' followed as time allowed, and the facebook group and community page were updated right away such that potential visitors could be alerted.
     
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    Noted, thanks. It was not there when I looked yesterday, hence my message :)
     
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    I still think it is a regrettable choice of words "closed.......for the foreseeable future" which implies not being able to open at virtually anytime in the future. Surely "closed....until pandemic restrictions are eased/reduced/over" would be far more positive.
     
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    The "foreseeable future" includes a time when the railway will have been extended from its present length at one or both ends, and even the time when with luck it will extend all the way from somewhere just above Lynton to the outskirts of Barnstaple. This latter time may be many years away but it is certainly "foreseeable" and indeed foreseen. [Pedant mode off]
     
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    ....until which time those parts will remain closed :)
     
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    There is a photograph of John Baker, the ertswhile Stationmaster at Bratton Fleming standing in front of the porch at the south end of the station building, possibly in 1935 (he retired in 1931 but stayed around), and above the doorway writing appears to read : L.P. 6.24 The paintwork is damaged, so the dots cannot all be confirmed, but the rest of it appears to be as I have written it. Is it too much of an assumption to read into this the obvious - that it means 'Last Painted June 1924' ? Is anyone aware of any other examples ?

    Secondly on signal cabins, the deteriorated Chelfham signal cabin (before it was restored recently) seemed to have had maroon corner pillars and 1930's pictures suggest other cabins - Blackmoor for example - were painted cream with dark colour corner pillars. What must (by a process of elimination) have been Blackmore cabin somewhat careworn was by the trackbed part-way between Blackmoor and Rowley Cross in 1967. My colour slide on that occasion suggests this had cream sides and maroon corner pillars. So, is the maroon and cream an irregular SR livery or is it the L & B Company's ? If the latter it did jolly well lasting 45 years until 1967.
     
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    LSWR colours were brown and salmon or cream; however, not beyond the bounds of possibility that years of weathering (and degradation of film emulsion?) may have turned that more towards maroon and cream? Dark and cream, at any rate.

    “Last painted 6/24” certainly sounds plausible; if so, despite being post grouping, I think pre-grouping colours would have been likely. AFAIK, the standard SR scheme for buildings was only finalised in 1926, so repaints before then were probably in pre-grouping colours.

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