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Manchester ship canal locomotives

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by rough-shunter, Feb 6, 2009.

  1. planetpower

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    Number 14 St. Johns is what The Lady Armadale was called and numbered on the M.S.C.
    And 32 is now painted in Brunswick green and is running at the ELR on the war fright this weekend.
     
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    Any photos of 32 now its completed?

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    hello all
    the main site of the locomotive/railway workshop in Mode Wheel is still there in Salford at the side of Weaste cemetery. Last i got told a tram group were using the site. Site is now surounded by ind units on Mode Wheel Rd Salford. Early this year the locomotive shed and siding got knocked down, that was on Broadway/Daniel Adamson Rd next to oil works (also gone) Salford.
    If you go along Broadway/Daniel Adamson Rd you will find a level crossing which went across from above siding to workshops of MSC and railway works. If you have a look you will see that there are more than the normal 2rails!! this is becose in the 1980s a rail group were looking at taking over the workshops and running a railway along the ship canal to Barton. Over the levelcrossing you could run standard gauge, 3ft 6, 5ft 6. The group were going to bring across locomotives and stock from around the world to Salford. But Salford Council built ind units too near the p-way (gap still there for p-way now a lawn) so it never came off!!
     
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    Wasn't 680 (aka The Lady Armaghdale) MSC number 14? We had it at Middleton in black as that a few years back I'm sure. We've also had it there as Thomas too..
     
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    Yes sorry my mistake.
     
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    Thought it about time I added to this thread.

    You've missed out 2001 which became D1 Ashworth

    Sold to Hunslet in 1976 and after a rebuild to the NCB in 1986 to work at the gwent distribution depot in newport wher it was named Pride of Gwent.

    preserved in 1991 and ended up at Barry Island via Cardiff bute road and named Bill Caddick.

    Purchased by the PBR earlier this year but currently OOU as it couldn't pull the skin of a rice pudding, failed seal in the torque converter. If I have my way it will get a repaint into MSc colours.

    http://www.aligrieve.fotopic.net/c1673793.html

    regards
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    Oh very nice this is one i forgot about to be honest, it would certainly be nice to see back in M.S.C livery.
     
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    May I ask what peoples opinions are about M.S.C 67 current livery as its a bit different to plain black! Im just woundering thats all
     
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    Whilst I personally think MSC 67 looks great as it is I can't help wondering when someone is going to top coat over what appears to be grey primer..!
     
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    I think 67 looks great to, it would be nice to have an M.S.C reunion gala with all the running M.S.C locos. I can only dream................................
     
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    Mode Wheel workshops Salford service the MSC fleet Danny

    http://j-eyres.fotopic.net/c1374075.html
     
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    Hi guys,

    Well there was talk of Manchester Ship Canal locos, and how it would be nice to see some together in this thread. Well this year it will happen with No.70 visiting the Middleton Railway in September for the gala. This will allow the first preservation pairing of the only two surviving MSC "long tanks". See gala thread here:

    http://railways.national-preservati...anchester-Ship-Canal-Gala-18th-19th-Sept-2010

    For more information visit the event website: www.msc-gala.moonfruit.com

    Andy H
     
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    Hopefully his thread can be revived after 10years! There seems to be a wealth of MSC knowledge here! I’m currently modelling a Hudswell Clarke 0-6-0 Short tank. At this stage I still have the option of which exact one to model -I’ve been trying to find out some information about the liveries of these locos as they were when they were operating on the MSC. Were they plain black (lined in a colour?), or I have seen green, light grey and dark blue mentioned too. Was there a standard colour, or am I be No too hopeful?!
     
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    I think that they were grey in later years, green originally.
     
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    I don't think any MSC locos were painted black. According to Don Thorpe in his book on the railway the initial livery was a lined out green, albeit of various shades. From 1919 the livery was changed to slate blue, again lined out in various ways. After WWII the livery was again changed to grey (battleship grey?) with black & white lining in various styles.
     
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    Perfect - thank you all for your help!
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    Michael Shaw in "The Jazzer and the Last Manning Wardle" gives the following:
    • Pre WW1, the Jazzers and Pecketts were dark green with double white lining, the Hudswell Clarkes were light green with a single dark line.
    • Post WW1, new locos were delivered in slate blue with white lining and black edges.
    • Locos repainted Post WW2 and into the 1950s became light grey with black and white lining.
    • A Trains Illustrated article in October 1959 referred to locos as green with red-backed number plates. Some colour photos suggest the very last locos on the railway were unlined black with red-backed plates.
    Regarding HE 686, the loco was originally named St John on delivery in 1898. It became No 14 when numbers were introduced in 1915; the name plates were removed but one was retained on the inside of the cab.
     
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    Sorry to disagree but all the remaining Hudswells were in unlined black in the latter days of the MSC railways as Robin says. The naming policy was based on overseas ports served by shipping from Manchester so, with respect, I think No14 may have been St.Johns rather St. John.
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    I’m sure it was St John. Another one had an odd spelling, Buenos Ayers, instead of Aires
     
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    The loco was named after the port of Saint John in New Brunswick rather than St. John's in Newfoundland. The plate (which I believe it is the original) is still in the cab.
    686_Name_Plate_20160713.jpg
     

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