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Midland double-framers and the Gronk...

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by BrightonBaltic, Dec 10, 2019.

  1. Dunfanaghy Road

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    I have always thought that the frame of a 350 was most similar to a steam loco tender. After replacing a spring hanger on 08 288 many years ago, I became even more sure (Horwich style comes to mind). I guess it was really a case of starting with a known design and working it up.
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    That design of rod seems to have been more common on electric locos, but used the other way up to convey the drive from two traction motors e.g. see attached SBB Ce 6/8II (ETH pic).

    Not so much fun as the rods on a PRR 2-B+B-2 though, which looks like an HO model with the body removed. :eek:
     

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    Oh that’s nice, the rods clearly not in sync either looking at the two photos!

    There’s the inside gubbins of a German electric loco of similar style (though only one massive traction motor) in the transport museum in Dresden, which is pretty impressive to see in the flesh. Photo (not mine) here:

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-1...-ag-e-50-42-ex-pr-ep242-breslau-50998618.html


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    Thanks. There are some fascinating examples of early electrics. Haut's book is good and has the merit of being in English, but if you can find it, Traction Electrique published in 1926 in Paris has lots of illustrations of early kit, including rack railways, funiculars and tramcars.
     

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    Would agree a steam tender. If you want a new LMS steam tender, perhaps a demic 08 might be a good place to start? There is a Steam loco on the Tanfield, that was converted from an Early Hawthorn Leslie Petrol-electric, bizarrely, and the old aim was was similar rods,chassis from old production could be switched over without needing all new machinary, and old locos could be converted. This had limited success in small shunters only, as delicate diesels needed a smoother ride.
     
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    Which one would that be?
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    I assume the reference is to "Stagshaw", which was not a petrol electric loco but was a testbed for the "Paragon-Cristiani" system - see e.g. http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/compsteam/compsteam.htm - which in this case used two petrol engines to drive a compressor to compress steam generated in an oil-fired boiler which was used in conventional steam loco cylinders. All rather peculiar. It is covered and illustrated in Webb p48-49.
     
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    Puzzling. One would have thought that the set of steam locos at Tanfield built by HL which were once something else was fairly small. Reed describes the loco you illustrate as the only Durtnall Paragon loco ever built. The Paragon Cristiani loco did acquire a fireless loco receiver which it dragged around, as shown in the attached illustration.
     

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