Non - Stop BRISTOLIAN 17/4/2010!

Bittern is dual braked

 

Bittern is NOT dual braked. It is air braked. It does however have the capacity to operate vacuum braked trains and to facillitate this both tenders are through piped for vacuum trains.

 

Either way, as you have stated 60019's tenders are both through piped so one would assume it's ok for any other loco with vacuum brakes to haul the second tender in the same manner as 60019.

EDIT: I've just realised that if 5043 was to haul the second tender there would be no brakes on it, silly me!

 

It would not be permitted by Network Rail. What you are suggesting is an unbraked vehicle which when full to capacity weighs over 60 tons!
5043 is only vacuum braked. Bittern's second tender is only air braked, the only vacuum feature on it is a through pipe. You just can't have that amount of weight as a "swinger". Don't forget such a formation would have to make some moves on NR light engine and to put over 60 tons of an unbraked vehicle with only the vacuum brakes of 5043 and its own tender to control it would never be sanctioned by NR.

 

Indeed. I realised this literally seconds after I made that post, and I have edited it accordingly.

 

Theoretically, forgetting light engine manoevures, would not the combined braked force of the loco plus about 10 or so MK1/2's be enough to 'control' one swinger, or am i overestimating the braking force availible ?, im certain 60019's gubbins has no part in the Bristolian but it's an interesting thought.

 

There is no need to run away and hide, stay where you are, we have a nice padded truck on its way to collect you.

 

Now there is a man with the right frame of mind !

 

Is this going to be the first ever tour where there are more photographers aiming their cameras at the vehicle behind the tender than at the loco?

 

With all the negative news in general press I always read this thread with a smile. from practical ideas to Heath Robinson style and everything in between it has been as enjoyable to reply as it has to read all the ideas. long may it continue. I'm sure the tour wont fail to disappoint and we'll find out what is actually deployed to ensure a non stop run.

Regards
Duncan

ps regarding the GWR vs LNER banter my opinion GWR good economics LNER good styling (at least with gresley and peppercorn)

 

As an Atlantic, you mean? A couple of the early 4-6-0s were "convertables", weren't they, for comparison with the French 4-4-2 componds...

The next issue of the Beano should hit the doormat tomorrow, 1st April. I wonder if there will be a shot of a "streamlined" Castle on the TYS turntable in it? )

 

Hope very much it does fail to disappoint, I'm on it!

 

Oh goody - I need to get out more *manic laughter*.

'Sings' " They're coming to take me away ha ha he he ho ho "

 

Ummm, bit out of date with that comment, might be correct up until about 1930 when Gresley introduced the A3s, and later the A4s. No class 8 has ever bettered them for coal and water consumption. The A1s in the 1950s pretty much matched them but the GW was so disturbed by the results of the 1948 exchanges that they ran their own series of test to see if they could match the A4 figures with a King. As I recall the result was that basically they couldn't.
If a V2 with double Kylchap exhaust had ever been tested I am pretty sure that would have given some really excellent figures as well.

Anyway back to 2010, I’m booked on the trips and very much looking forwards to what 5043 can deliver; however the water is managed! All my trips behind the loco so far have been really excellent.

 

I know whats going to happen, when it gets to southall , its going to be given an streamlined casing, an extra set of wheels and will show that Gresley was indeed right , look out for an A4 with copper capped chimney, and brass numberplates

 

Why put all that Yorkshire junk on it, it works perfectly well without. If Gresley was even close to right, it took a nice green 4-6-0 number 4079 to set him on the path to righteousness. Apparently they weren't very good with valve gear in Yorkshire in those days, and if I remember correctly it took someone from Swindon to show Doncaster how to get middle big ends to be reliable and repair axleboxes so that they could get to somewhere around 45,000 miles from shops before they had to change the driving axleboxes to prevent them from running hot. Maybe it had something to do with showing them how to erect an engine so that all the wheels were in line.

 

As you are a former member of the Constabulary, I'm shocked that you are inciting vandalism.

 

H'mmm, just noticed the times for the Friday positioning move. Rather a long stop at Hinksey. I wonder why?
Could it be that Tyseley doesn't like to have London water in it's boilers and therefore will be topping up to get to Southall-Padd-Bristol without any of that nasty stuff. Or could it be that 5043 will be meeting up with it's water carrier at Southall.
Then again maybe Heritage Railway was right all along and temporary troughs are being laid at Goring.(Stranger things have happened......Gordon Brown smiled yesterday).

 

Wasn't me guv.......honest.