Paignton and Dartmouth Railway

My day just got better..maroon mark1s and a Brush! Strong rumours that a 37 was going to be on it...Cheers for the gen.

 

As I've said elsewhere in this thread nobody has the right to complain until they put something into the railway, either in a financial fashion or by volunteering, till then what does the railway owe them nothing. Maybe if a few more "enthusiasts" that are on here complaining stop and visit the line for things which are predominently there for enthusiasts then maybe they will be taken a bit more seriously, or even make the comments in person on the line!! Till then I'm afraid the minority which do make the effort and its a small minority won't make the difference.
So why not start supporting the events i.e. riding on the train when you go to see the Torbay Express as lets face it hardly anyone does, also you could turn up at the heritage weekend. I know last years figure was good and from what I heard beat Thomas' figures but thats not hard is it. Lets face it it isn't exactly the best event for it. I'm sure if people wanted to they could come to the heritage weekend regardless of liveries etc.
It seems all of the PDSR responses (ones I've heard to) are because they don't see a need to support the enthusiasts which lets face it don't support them.

 

So why not paint them in Great Western livery!!!

Don't most enthusiasts have cameras and are therefore photographers?

Seriously though it is not as clear cut as the 'photographers are freeloaders and give nothing' clan claim. I love both travelling on and photographing railways and I know many others that are exactly the same. Most people you meet at the lineside are also members of one line or another.

Anyhow if the T&DR doesn't change there are plenty of other places to spend my money - just a shame!

 

I'm not saying that enthusiasts are "freeloaders" well not all of them anyway, but there does seem to be a thing at Paigton where you turn up see the shiny King, Castle or whatever on the Torbay Express and then go home, wereas instead you could travel the line a couple of times and take pictures from different locations, like I do then you are giving something back.
By the same token a lot of the passengers who travel on the TE do pay and go for a train ride whilst there, this was the point I was trying to make.

I know some people who take loads of photos of the line and very rarely actually ride on the train, so are giving nothing back, except perhaps by buying a drink in the shop well that isnt going to keep the line going.

There also seems to be a slight biased towards paignton when it comes to liveries etc and maybe we should just them them do what they do best, after all they seem to be doing something right don't they.

 

Pure logic dictates the liveries should be done properly. It pleases ALL, and so helps attract as many people as possible. What businessman would be content knowing tha potential customers may be staying away. I have still to hear a valid argument to the contrary.

Also, just to clarify my full support for the P&DSR (hence my desire to see them attract people with all interests by labouring the livery thing!)[/quote]

This is in danger of getting well of thread, but here goes.
A Mark 1 coach could be painted in BR(WR) chocolate and cream (rather than maroon or carmine and cream or blue and white), especially if you had a green GW engine to go with it. The problem arises for GW preservation when you want/need to run a Mark 1 with a GW coach in GW livery. The colour of chocolate is not the same. BR(WR) is amilk chocolate colour, GW is a plain chocolate. And that's apart from the other more subtle differences.
SDR for example have three wonderful GW coaches in their dining train, but the servery is a Mark 1 BSK. It is painted in faux GW livery, so that it reasonably matches the rest of the set.
Nobody has every complained about that!

 

I did, once (but only to the wife!)

 

Time for the sound of key in lock I think on this thread - it has surely run its course with neither side likely to have their minds changed.

 

May be the people at the P&DSR might like to look in to the following (tuffer) !!!!!!!!
Taken this tread back to the Heritage Festival 9th & 10 May 2009 & the livery of the coaches / names.
I was talking to a mate who is a sign writer by trade the other night about all what is being said on here.
And in talking we came up with the idea ! That these day you can get clear film that can be spayed with paint, if the P&DSR wished they could get some of this film spay it chocolate & may be put a BR crest on it ! OK it might not look good close up but from a distance no names. Not sure if Mk1's are made of steel but if they are you could attach magnets to the 4 corners of the film & then you could reuse them at another event if required.
Just an idea chaps, has been done before on signs so why not coaches.
Anyway I hope to be down there this year for the Heritage Festival & later in the year for my usual Paignton / Goodrington holiday at the end of August. \/

 

No, not necessary to lock thread, as its about the wider railway. The livery debate just pops up now and again.
We do need to declare a truce on the livery thing though, so I will initiate that by saying "I'm done" with liveries, and changing the subject.
.....So, whats the progress at Goodrington?

 

I do think this discussion has gone far enough now, as to the rights and wrong the way P & D SR paint their locos and coaches. You will never please the most discerning enthusiast. Quite surprised that no one has suggested replacing the dow-mac concrete sleeper with wooden ones.
We should be grateful we have a well run steam railway to enjoy.

 

Well said Sturdon I think I said the same sort of thing a few pages back. The PDSR should be enjoyed by those people who do enjoy it, and those who worry about liveries obviously have to much time on their hands, which if they wanted could be put into the railway. Enough said.

I'm also curious whats going on at Goodrington, quite alot from what I hear but havn't had chance to go and see it yet maybe in April when the season starts.

 

I'm with Simon, Sturdon and Scorpian*, we've done this topic to death now. Many people have expressed their views, to which they are of course entitled, but the railway in question will inevitably do its own thing with little reference to opinions posted here.

The best I can hope for is to meet some of you guys on a train between Paignton and Kingswear because that will mean that we're doing our bit to keep this line open. Failing that, you might see me on a platform at Minehead wearing a white-topped bus conductor's hat while taking a break. If you do, say hi!

John.




*Hmm, "SSS". Where have I seen that before? :-k

 

Just one last comment from me and that is to return your thought to Tuffers first post which opened up this thread. I believe thats enough said on teh last two or so pages.

 

''Too much time on my hands'' and ''Sad''!

I was only suggesting ways that the railway may become more popular by attracting the discerning enthusiast!! See you all at the GC next weekend!

PS Dowmac sleepers were invented way before the end of steam

 

I believe the foundations for the shed are to be in place by the time running starts on april 1st, after that it will slow down untill the income from trains picks up again.

 

7827 in steam today (according to the Mrs). Guess they are moving her from one shed to t'other...

 

That would make sense maybe preparing her for a private charter?? or even some shunting as well or possibly a boiler test and pre-season exam

 

Removing the "No Browsing" notices on the bookcase in the shop at Paignton would be a step in the right direction.

Who here would buy a book without checking it first!

 

Inded - like the magazine shelves in Smiths. Spend many hours stood there (train mags only though you understand!!!)