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Preservation wish

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Neil_Scott, Jul 3, 2011.

  1. irwellsteam

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    44687 - the BRUTE of black 5s
    46202 'Princess Anne' (the rebuilt turbomotive)
    46256 'Sir William Stanier FRS' - or any of the coronations built like this.
    and also a rebuilt patriot. They didn't look too different to the rebuilt scots, but they were smaller, so would be more easily justified on today's heritage lines without garnering so many groans from the anoraks that they should be on the mainline ;)
     
  2. tfftfftff86

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    Nope, 6202 the UNrebuilt turbomotive, with only the reverser turbine tweaked so it could actually shunt its train.

    Or 46202 and 45637 Windward Islands, to re-run through Harrow and Wealdstone with a much happier ending. :sad:
     
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    Dame Vera Lynn running on the NYMR again, along with No.5.
     
  4. S.A.C. Martin

    S.A.C. Martin Part of the furniture

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    I doubt anyone will agree with me particularly, but just one - any one - of the Thompson Pacifics so that we can say honestly, we have a full representation of LNER Pacifics in preservation.
     
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    All though we have members of these classes surviving I would like to see 6220 Coronation, 2509 Silver Link and 80154 to have survived.

    Also some LBSCR loco's. Billington K class mogul, Marsh C2X, Billington E2 (not disguised as Thomas).

    There's probably more but can't think of any at the moment
     
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    All the remaining un restored exBarry locos to be restored and running
     
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    Johnson / Deeley 3F No. 43586
    Ivatt J1 0-6-0
    Aspinall High Flyer Atlantic
    Ivatt D3 No. 62000
    Gresley V4 2-6-2
    Johnson 0-4-0 Saddletank No. 41518

    Richard.
     
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    Reading signal Works No 20...
     
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    A thread like this makes you realise just what a surprising selection of locos did survive. The SR constituents were particularly well-served in this respect, though I don't think their passengers in the 1950s would have seen it that way! A sad contrast with the locos of the LNER constituents. If only a yard like Draper's in Hull had had the same policy as Woodham's in Barry - what might have survived then? Actually, that's a whole thread by itself...

    I'd love more of the pre-grouping Scottish locos to have survived - a Caledonian 4-4-0, perhaps?

    A Brighton baltic tank. Indeed, more Brighton locos generally.

    Almost any of the missing LNER classes, especially the pre-grouping types.

    As KentYeti suggested, a late SECR 4-4-0, such as an L1.

    An IoW Beyer Peacock 2-4-0T. One nearly did - "Ryde" (I think) was repainted before being sent to Eastleigh, and the management were lobbied quite hard to put her in a museum. Sadly, in the early 1930's, they had other priorities...

    A Bulleid Leader... Dream on!
     
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    Oh! No! Let's not go there again! :lalala:

    Foxy
     
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    A few surpises for a Southerner, but my top five are probably include:

    1. The L&YR Hughes Class 8 "Dreadnought" 4-6-0s. They may have been 'terrible' prior to rebuilding, but they were that railway's only class of 4-6-0, and I like the name.

    2. SR Maunsell Z class 0-8-0T. One nearly made it to preservation, reputedly being on the 'reserve list' for the National Collection, and stored at Fratton for this purpose.

    3. One or both of the SR Maunsell 3-cylinder moguls (N1 and U1).

    4. Although one is being built from scratch, a parallel-boilered LMS Patriot class, as it is one of those clases which with hindsight should never have disappeared. Quite a robust-looking design with the original Fowler smoke deflectors.

    5. It has to be said, the Leader is a tempting prospect, even if it was merely stuffed and mounted. However, I think I'd plug for a Drummond 700 class, as they were robust, useful and could be used on heritage lines without too many problems.
     
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    Some more locos I'd have liked.

    SR W Class
    SR Z Class
    SR Merchant Navy (in as built with number and southern plates on the cab and tender with horseshoe smokebox door plate
    SR H15
    LNER L1 Tank
    A rake of LNER Coronation carriages
    Turbomotive
    Crosti 9F

    Also a slightly selfish reason I would like to see the Bluebell reach Haywards Heath.
     
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    Andre Chapelon's 4-8-4 242A1



    SNCF 242A1The lone SNCF 242A1 prototype, rebuilt from an unsuccessful Etat three-cylinder 4-8-2 simple expansion locomotive 241.101 into a 4-8-4 compound locomotive. This remarkable locomotive achieved both extraordinary power outputs and efficiencies in coal and water use, but no further examples were built as SNCF focused on electric traction for its future motive power development. 242A1 was trialed on many test runs which showed that this locomotive was equal in power output as the (then) existed SNCF electric locomotives. Here, for the first time in Europe, was a steam locomotive with a 20-ton axle load which not only was at least as powerful as the most powerful high-speed electric locomotive but which could repeatedly develop its maximum power without any mechanical trouble. Developing 5,300 ihp (4,000 kW)[vague] in the cylinders and with 65,679 lbf (292.15 kN) of peak tractive effort, 46,225 lbf (205.62 kN) mean tractive effort—nothing in Europe could touch it. While Nr.242A1 being tested the electrical engineers were designing the locomotives for 512 km (318 mi) Paris - Lyon line, which was to be electrified. An electric locomotive slightly more powerful than the successful Paris - Orléans 2-D-2 type electric locomotive was contemplated. But when the test results of the test of 242A1 become known, the design was hurriedly changed to incorporate the maximum capacity possible within a 23-ton axle load, and then the 144-ton 9100 class http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SNCF_Class_2D2_9100 was produced with over 1.000 hp (0.746 kW) more than the originally designed. Thus the performances of the Mistral and other heavy passenger express trains would not have been so outstanding if 242A1 had not existed.

    Therefore Andre Chapelon indirectly influenced French electric locomotive design. In addition 242A1 demonstrated the suitability of the Sauvage-Smith system of compounding for French conditions and the designs for future French steam locomotives, prepared but unfortunately stopped, were of Sauvage-Smith compounding system.

    In ordinary service 242A1 was allocated at Le Mans depot (SNCF Region-3 Ouest and hauled express trains in 1950 - 1960 between Le Mans and Brest 411 km. Nr. 242A1 did not last long, it was withdrawn from service and hurriedly scrapped in 1960.
     
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    Preservation wish, right that a couple more of the IOW 02's had been saved, and to make it worth while rebuild Ryde pier head to its steam days condition return the tunnel to its steam clearances , or better increase it and reopen the line right through to Ventnor and run a steam hauled tourist service with dmu s off peak ,final convert the ivatts to island gauge
    would that then be the best railway in the county?
     
  17. paulhitch

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    It has a strong claim to be the most sensible one in the country already, on the standard gauge at any rate. No. 8 at the head of six beautifully turned out four wheelers is a fine sight but just as impressive is the low tare weight in relation to the carrying capacity.

    Less weight to haul means less coal to burn which in turn means more to spend on repairs and restoration. No surprise that this is one standard gauge line that has actually bought new boilers.

    Paul H. (who has no connection with the I.O.W. Steam Railway)
     
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    111 The Great Bear to give a GWR Pacific, hopefully preservation could of seen to some of it's problems Duke of Gloucester style.
     
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