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Rolling Stock Movements

Discussion in 'Heritage Rolling Stock' started by bhallett, May 3, 2007.

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    Exactly Robin, hence my suggestion.........;) Off hand I can't think of any other class with such a rainbow of possible liveries, the Austerity [or LNER J94 if you prefer] 0-6-0st perhaps if you include the variety of industrial liveries too.
     
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    The project turns its first corner...

    (Photo by Brendan Connell)

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    Drummond pattern boiler I think as well, with the safety valves in the top of the dome.

    Waddon (the one in Canada now) had the slightly odd distinction of being the last SR loco to remain in pre-grouping livery (repainted September 1930); the oddity being that the pre-grouping livery in question was SE&CR...

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    Phil Edward’s splendid shot of Bodiam taking an unusual route through Tenterden yesterday with St Michaels church in the background. Did anyone else capture shots of her on the way to Norfolk?

    Robin

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    On the move this morning from Newbridge yard NYMR.
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    I believe it is on it's way to Wirksworth.
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    Two wagons moving out of Wimbledon depot. One an OBA, the other an bogie Well Wagon. Not sure where they're off to; depot staff believe Epping Ongar?

    -Edit: EOR confirm the vehicles are not moving there.
     
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    Are you in Eastleigh tomorrow?

    K&ESR Kitchen Car RU 1987 will be arriving in Eastleigh tomorrow morning by road and after off-loading will be moving into Arlington Ltd’s premises.

    If anyone is available to capture pictures of the arrival, or movement across the main line into Arlington’s premises, I would, as the K&ESR Director Responsible for this project, be very grateful for copies.

    Updates on this important project for the K&ESR will be appearing regularly.

    If you can help, PM me for an e-mail address.

    https://preservation.kesr.org.uk/helping/fundraising/camilla

    TIA

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    Sorry, can't help with the photos. But what strikes me about the photo of it on the lorry is the angle of the bogies relative to the body. Considering the 'Do not hump shunt' instruction on the coach, is it normal to load them onto road vehicles like this?
     
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    It's an optical illusion. The coach is flat, it's the lorry that's bent. ;)
     
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    The front end of the deck will sit on the ground with a ramp built to enable the coach to be winched on.
    The slope will only disappear when the lorry tractor unit is reconnected and the bed lifted up.
     
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    I never mentioned the slope. Railways go up and down hills and changes of gradient occur. I was on about the angle of the bogie relative to the body, which looks pretty severe when you look at the clearance between the two at either end of the nearmost bogie. And clearly, the tractor unit is connected, it must have travelled like this. I have absolutely no idea what the acceptable limits are, this just looks a bit beyond what I'd normally expect to see.

    Any sensible answers?
     
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    The deck can be raised by lifting the tractor / trailer connection.
    I see it nearly once a month at the NYMR with vehicles in and out of Newbridge yard, including this morning.

    Is that sensible enough for you?
     
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    I do not have a shot of a tractor unit to hand but this is the front of the trailer connection to the tractor unit.
    You can see that the deck will lift at least 200mm to achieve clearance probably more.

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    No because you are not answering the question! Where did I ask about the road vehicle?
     
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    In my experience, and speaking historically, since shunting humps are no longer used in this country:-

    Sometimes the "do not hump shunt" instruction is about ground clearance over a shunting hump, but more commonly it is about delicate contents not being bashed about. The instruction does not forbid movements over a hump, providing that such movements are attached rather than shunted loose/unattached over a hump.

    If the instruction was "not to pass over shunting humps" it would be about clearance over the knuckle of the hump as it would also preclude shunting while attached to a loco if passing over a hump. Such an instruction might appear on long low special wagons such as girder-sets and the like not normally seen these days.

    A similar distinction used to apply to "not to be loose shunted", which was usually applied to any vehicle without a lever operated handbrake accessible to a shunter walking alongside. Coaching stock other than brake vehicles normally have no handbrakes, and the handbrakes, on brakevans are operated by internal handwheels. Such vehicles could be hump shunted if control of vehicle speeds was by retarders acting directly on the wheels. (I exclude here departmental ex-coaching stock equipped with external brakes for operation on freight train formation.)
     
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    From my 30 plus years of experience in C&W I would have no concerns.
     
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    Thanks! That's all I really wanted to know.
    And also thanks to Wenlock for the info on the shunting instructions, I have learnt a couple of things from that.
    I only have personal involvement with one bogie vehicle and it's a very atypical one, but I will have to have a better look at how the bogie connection works.
     
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    If you look at the two trailers, one does not have a well deck, so the bed is parallel normally this is the preferred type of trailer, on the first one, the hauler has winched the coach onto a different trailer one with a raised bed, so the bogie is pivoted to follow the line of the bed, whilst a bogie can be pivoted like that without any damage, and its perfectly ok to transport a coach on such a trailer , if you look closely, it also overhangs the end of the trailer bed, I would therefore assume the haulier either did not have a trailer similar to the one at NYMR available .
     

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