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RS&H 'Ugly' 0-6-0STs

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by DisusedBranch, Dec 6, 2009.

  1. DisusedBranch

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    Further to the Austerities thread, can anyone tell me where the surviving RS&H 'Uglies' are located nowadays, please?

    I know that 56 and 63 are at Ruddington, while 57 and 62 are at the Spa Valley.

    Are there any other survivors?
     
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    RSH Uglys

    As well as the four you describe above, there is one currently located on the Colne Valley Railway - Jupiter. Can't remember its number though.

    I did hear a rumour that it may be undergoing an overhaul so we could have at least three in traffic in a couple of years time, maybe four if 63 returns to traffic.

    Matt
     
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    Jupiter is 60. This, together with 56, 57, 62 & 63 make up all the surviving ones. Five out of a total of nine locos isn't a bad survival rate. We have the Worth Valley to thank for the latter three; all originally starting preservation on that Railway.
     
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    Would love to borrow one of these locos at some stage in the future!:)
     
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    Thanks for the info, chaps.

    Given the Rutland Railway Museum's location and area of interest, are there any photos in the Museum's archives of the 'Uglys' at work on the ironstone system, Hunslet 2411?

    Come to think of that - is there such a thing as a map of the lines they worked on?
     
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    Are these the verry powerful saddle tanks capable of pulling 6 or 7 MK1's?

    Or am i confused with another industrial tank?

    Sorry for my ignoance
     
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    To be honest, most industrials would be quite capable of hauling 6-7 mk1s... speed may be another issue.

    But an austerity is certainly capable of hauling 6-7 mk1s without breaking into a sweat (see peak rail every weekend), so I should think an ugly would be more than happy.

    However, I suspect the "very powerful saddle tanks" you're thinking of are possibly the Bagnall 18 inch tanks, Victor and Vulcan?
     
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    Now they really are something different..... Industrial locos with Belpaire fireboxes, roller bearing axleboxes and coupling rods, grease lubrication and piston valves. Masters of any task you give them as long as it's not a smooth ride at thirty!
     
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    :p
    I do believe they worked on our site?! Will check on that but we have lots of pictures of them at Corby on the minerals section based at Pen Green shed, I think they moved around a bit too. Will see what we have but we definatly do have that info!
     
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    Cheers, thank you.

    This is gonna be really cheeky, but any technical info would also be very welcome (dimensions, etc) - I'd like to look into the practicality of butchering a few Hornby J94s and making a few Uglies :)
     
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    In response to DisusedBranch I think the best source of information is the books by Eric Tonks specifically The Ironstone Quarries of the Midlands Part VI The Corby Area pub by Runpast publishing under ISBN 1-870754-06-9

    A little bit of history might help

    The Uglies were a batch of 0-6-0ST ordered by Stewarts and Lloyds for their mining operations when the LMS Harringworth service was replaced by an extension to the internal network shortly after the end of WWII.

    At that point the normal fleet had been based on an 1895 design ( MW1316/17 ) that had been perpetrated with minimum changes by both Kitson and RSH but the longer route now under consideration reqwuired a more powerful design.

    Prior to the order being placed the Minerals section borrowed HE2411 - one of the original Austerities - from the internal Tubes system and trialled it for a couple of weeks with the driver Percy Horne asked for comments.

    The result was the redesign by RSH to include S&L requested features of the faithful MW design that had served S&L so well through the years and the most noticeable feature was the separation of the water tank from the cab sheet - thus leaving a gap between tank and cab sheet - among others and the orders were placed for 7 engines ( RSH 7667 - 7673 S&L 56 - 62 ) followed by a a further loco in 1954 ( RSH 7761 S&L 63 then a final loco ( RSH8050 S&L 64 ) in 1958.

    HE2411 was one of 8 Hunslets ( HE 2410 - 2417 ) built in 1941 for a proposed extension to Islip quarry by the S&L Minerals system which was subsequently not developed and although the locos were delivered they were almost immediately sold on with the S&L Tube system retaining HE2411 and the Minerals system retaining HE2417. Shortly after delivery the War Office summoned loco builders to discuss the preparation of an "Austerity" design and Hunslett supplied the drawings for the 550 Class ( I believe ) which was the design used for the latest deliveries.

    The War Department liked the design enough to place orders immediately - subject to minor design modifications - that ultimately became the classic War Department "Austerities" whilst the original HE2411 continued its service in Corby Tubeworks where it became part of Operation Pluto ( IIRC ).
     
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    Thanks Fred kerr just too add 2411 still exisits at cottesmore in a poor state.....However plans are afoot to mend this wrong doing and we hope to look at conservation and then restoration to running order over an extended period. 3 of the 50550 class survive ours, Gunby and 'revenge' as it is now called which I think is making good progress to being restored!
     
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    Thanks rob

    i forgot about the J94's. But no i want talking about Victor And Vulcan but this article on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stephenson_and_Hawthorns

    Scroll down to the preservation list and the loco on the battle field line Richard III apparently has the same traction effort as a Black 5.

    Is this just a wiki over exaduration or fact?

    Its always confused me!

    Again sorry for my ignorance :p
     
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    The T.E. of an "Ugly" is greater than a Black 5 too .....

    http://www.spavalleyrailway.co.uk/SpaUgly_04.htm

    26,850lbs vs about 25500 lbs IIRC.

    It's a measure of pulling force, like torque in a motor vehicle, but not the same as power, which is linked to force AND speed.

    Uglies will move seriously big loads, due to their small wheels and large cylinders, but as has been said before, you don't want to on board much over 20mph, where as a Black 5 is good for well over 80 mph with a similar load.
     
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    Ah right

    Thanks allot sheff

    :)
     
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    I think it was one of these that worked the Bodmin and Wenford line till being sold about 5 years ago? It was actually called 'Ugly'. It worked with a pannier tank on a Royal Train over the line to take the Queen to Bodmin. The nameplate was not covered over!

    John
     
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    Might need to some serious chopping to your models. Longer wheelbase and chassis than an austerity and 4 foot wheels according to Industrial steam Locomotives by V F Hall.

    Think they neeed a better nickname. Anyone know what they were referred to at Corby?
     
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    I wonder why S & L wanted to perpetuate the gap between cab and tank - something to do with better forward vision perhaps?
     
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    I'm sure this has been asked before. But where does the nickname 'Ugly' come from. They don't look bad looking to me. Is it just the separation of water tank and cab previously noted?
     
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    Forget your uglies and look at our yorkshire engine company standard type 1 0-6-0's. Awesome machines. Worked at rutland ironstone quarries and scunthorpe steelworks. 16/24 inch cylinders 3ft 8 inch wheels and it'll move 1400 tons easy. You've not seen anything like them. Watch out victor and vulcan! We're coming to steal your heavyweight crown!
     

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