Hi Tom I think you have missed my point, I know that places such as Bath and Bristol are wonderful to live and work in, what I am saying is that I get sick and tired of all this money being thrown at London for new transport infrastructure project such as cross rail one and now cross rail Two and also HS2 but for what benefit does it achieve for the average person? In most cases it will be used as a means to get to work. This will lead to more new office blocks and more housing in an area which does not have all the resource that it needs, such as hospitals, health care provision and out of town shopping centers, while some town centers are falling into decay and the lack of shops, it is reckoned that if you took all the shops in the London area, about one third of them are either empty or have some form of charity shop in them. The coming of the internet was supposed to have change our way of life for the better, all it has done is to make people slaves to an IT system, I bet that at least one of you reading this, will have just done something for your work, while you are at home on the pretense of if I get it done now I don't have to worry about first thing tomorrow. Yet come tomorrow you will still be playing catch up and the boss will expect you to do more for less. We all need to see the bigger picture, the Internet is the biggest change to our way of life, yet we still have the 9 to 5 job culture of going to an office in the UK. why? I am convinced that the average UK life style has become far worst for more people than they will admit too. I read somewhere the other day that most people who are buying a home are just three pay days away from losing that home if they were made redundant. I don't know if that applies to anyone on this list, but I do know my nephew's and niece are having real problems finding places around here in North Kent to either rent or buy as it is just to expensive for them. I am very much pro rail and while it appears that most don't want to see a rebuilt S&DR because it might not suit there particular life style, the problem for those who currently rely on public transport is a problem we need to address some how and soon. Other euro countries appear to have over come their transport needs with a modern up today transport system so why can't we have the same? This group is called National Preservation and while we are not discussing the building of a new steam locomotive, I do think we have a duty to ensure that the old abandoned railway system is put to good use and is reused where ever possible. While this discussion is about the S&D I would add that as far as HS2 is concerned it is the right railway but in the wrong place what is wrong with reusing the old GCR route where possible? I am sorry if this sound like a rant, may be it is, but it is time for us all to take responsibility for our joint heritage be it railways, our own home town, or what ever it is that floats your boat, me I think London has got to big and it is about time we invested in plans to grow other Cities around the UK to the same size ( if required) as London. But before we do, we have to have in place, a plan to build sustainable transport links in what ever form they may be required.