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Steam Dreams - Southend to Salisbury - March 15th

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  1. buseng

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    The train heat thing is twaddle as well, 1. Temperatures yesterday were in the high teens so surely heat wasn't required, even the North was quite warm I presume. 2. As I understand it both 60019's & 70000's stock is capable of being steam heated so the steam loco's could of provided heat if required.
    As for the boxes, 60019's tour only needed it at certain times, but it was dragged round all day. Don't know why 70000's tour dragged one round all day, I'm sure steam has shunted it's own stock at Salisbury before.
    By the way, did I mention your name anywhere?
     
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    Not required. The standard move (with or without a diesel on the rear) is to shunt back into the up siding, detach, run round the loop light engine and back into Salisbury for servicing.

    Many services have arrived and not required a diesel this end. Another reason will need to be sought.

    A shot of the Brit arriving in Salisbury in glorious sunshine yesterday.
     

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    Don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong with your videos and as I don't do it myself I wouldn't presume to have a view about quality. But when you are in search of something clever as a title and it is wrong on a number of levels, plus rather insulting to the crew, then you can't expect to get away with it.

    On the detail, you had chosen a location when the Brit was cruising ahead of time in the knowledge we would be held at Basingstoke if early, which we were. Had you been elsewhere you might have seen a better performance from her - up to MP31 outbound or on Enham Bank on the return, for example. I spent half the day about as close to the 47 as you could be and the only time I heard and felt the thing active was around bits of north London on the way out where we were losing time through checks from other services.

    Take my word for it, both crews down and back are people who don't like a diesel helping and they are the guys who call the shots on what it does or does not do. And more to the point the SD hierarchy also have a view about them as well that they are more than happy to tell WC about.

    So another day and a better video title, I think.
     
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    No but the implication was, for anyone who keeps up to date, impossible to miss.

    Regarding train heating, as you don't travel on these tours you may not know that very often windows are kept open to hear the loco, as temperatures on Ais Gill were more like the very low teens, poor or no heat would soon cause complaints, but with the ETH on there were none.
    Why do continue to bang on about diesels on the back when, after all the discussion that has gone before, you still refuse to accept that there is a valid reason for their inclusion in any train. Each one requires manning with at least one driver and there is also the fuel to take into account. Costs which are not added just to annoy people.
     
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    Looking at the gradient profile at Fleet, there is approx 3 miles of level then a very slight up gradient of 1:655 on the approach for less than a mile, then followed by another 2 miles of level, so if Britannia was up to speed then she would be cruising, the reverser would be wound back and little real exhaust noise.
     
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    For your information I used to travel on a lot of these tours, you are correct I do not these days for obvious reasons which do not take a lot of working out (too risky). Not to mention tours in this area are pretty rare anyway due to the Reading Station rebuilding.
     
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    I watched the return service depart from Salisbury and I'd say that Britannia was working pretty hard to start from the station and, as much as I know anything about diesels, the 47 was just ticking over on the back. The start from Salisbury is definitely a hard one for steam (uphill and on a tight curve) so the temptation must be there for a shove as much as anywhere, but I don't think they got one.

    Tom
     
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    The ECS reversed at Southend Victoria in the morning, perhaps permission was not available to stable the diesel loco there during the day so the simplest thing was to keep it on the back? Saves a path back to the nearest stabling point and it means it will still be on the rear to drag the ECS back to London in the evening.

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    Like Big Al, I do like them ... BUT
    What I find most offputting is the music at the beginning. You could save yourself the bother of inserting that and save us the bother of turning the sound down and up again.
     
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    That was the logic. I was told by SD that to drop the DL off at Willesden would have changed the pathing of the train and with only three hours at Salisbury, as it was, that was not really an option. Not a decision of choice but an operational one. The fact that a Cl33 hooked on at Willesden for a t/t run to Southend tells us that running round wasn't an option at that end. It was all worth the effort though and the climb up to Billericay (1 in 100) - min of 30 was as good as the earlier rush down the 1 in 100 from Rayleigh where the day's max speed was reached. It's quite a tease of a line for steam that I'm pleased we didn't miss.
     
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    My video from yesterday's Cathedrals Express to Salisbury with 70000 in charge - caught at Winchfield and then flying through Andover at 75mph:

    James
     
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    72 actually, but who's counting. 36.5 minutes to Worting is a pretty good time with that load. The ACE used to be given 34 minutes.
     
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    I was on my own at a spot near Monxton on the climb to Grateley. 70000 certainly wasn't muted there! Oh, and I don't think the 47 was doing anything either.

    Sadly, I'm not a video man, so in view of the lack of anyone else being around at this spot to verify this, you'll have to take my word for it, but she sounded superb, and a pretty decent exhaust on what was a surprisingly warm March day.
     
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    Sorry mrKnowwun, as already said, think you've got it totally wrong with your video. 70000 cruising and the "box" was doing nothing in both shots, maybe better locations that were against the grade were required?

    And as to unfortunately agree with others, the starts of your video's are always missed out when I watch them, just because I find them annoying but at least the latest video's are better and easier to forward than your previous ones where you had all the maps included.
     
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    I just wish someone with a video was on Enham Bank in the evening. That climb was something special.
     
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    Not required. The standard move (with or without a diesel on the rear) is to shunt back into the up siding, detach, run round the loop light engine and back into Salisbury for servicing.

    Thanks for the clarification Shaggy.
     
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    Big Al to Mr No One said : "...you had chosen a location when the Brit was cruising ahead of time in the knowledge we would be held at Basingstoke if early..."

    I was expecting it to be a couple of minutes behind time, so it nearly caught me out!
     
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