The Hadrian 11th October 2014.

Video of 45699 at Stainforth yesterday morning now up:

 

Great shots fellahs Does anyone have any reports on her performance though, have the demons been exorcised? Sounds like the box was doing a bit more than taking its own weight? Mind you, nice that they turned it out in matching livery

 

Very nice indeed. I particularly like the cut to the going away shot as it went under the bridge. Sound and vision on that cut spot on. So many 2 camera jobs posted here are spoilt for me by a bad cut in the middle, sometimes even "crossing the line", (reverse cutting), which never looks good.

I'd normally not like to see the zoom back show the bridge. But here it shows why the exhaust sound changed, and explains and gives that lovely burst of sound as it comes out the other side at the start of the next sequence. It fits in very well.

Yes, really is very nice indeed. Exhaust hanging in the air in both shots, especially the first, is not that common in the UK, (oh the memories of 2 x 25NC 4-8-4s on a 2400 ton coal train leaving Oranje River on Kimberley - De Aar on a sunny zero degrees and very still winter morning!).

Re reverse cutting. I still get annoyed thinking about one I had to use in my Bethlehem -Bloemfontein video. I never filmed that wonderful line, but used Simon Leppard's excellent footage. He never filmed cut aways. So some years later, when returning from Kimberley - De Aar, and before producing the Bethlehem line video, I drove back next to that line filming cutaways. Very hard work at the end of a long and exhausting filming trip in the Karoo. Constantly stopping, tripod and camera out and set up for a few seconds footage then off to the next location. Doing that hour after hour. Only I didn't film enough gradient posts. So when I really needed a 1/50 grade post for a 3 second cutaway all I had was one facing the wrong way! And used it. . With todays technology it could be turned round, but 20 years ago it was all linear. And as someone who had forgotten more about editing than I ever learned, once told me"you can never, ever have enough cutaways when you are in the edit suite".

 

Not sure that these questions belong here on this thread but --- can the nice Mr Yeti explain the technical terms, please. "crossing the line"? "reverse cutting"? "cutaways"?

 

Are these not railway terms that have been twisted?
"crossing the line"? = a level crossing
"reverse cutting"? = an Embankment
"cutaways"? = a real cutting



OK I guess Mr Yeti was referring to the 180 degree rule by "crossing the line" & "reverse cutting", basically if your main shot is one side of a subject, don't film a second shot (nearly said "B roll") from the other side. Think of interviews, multiple cams used but all will be on the same side of an imaginary line running twixt interviewer and interviewee.

A cutaway is a shot of something relevant to the main scene that can then be edited in to cover up an operator mistake er no no no, I mean to add a little more depth into the storyline.

 

Nice stuff Toni, Aye Elliott was in a different country




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Yes Bill. If the first shot of a train sees the train running left to right, and the second, especially if it's virtually the same location, (ie cutting, joining the two shots together), is of the train running right to left, that gives a very abrupt scene for the viewer to take in. Called crossing the line, (ie from the other side of the line, literally correct for trains), or a reverse cut. If that is unavoidable a couple of cutaways could be inserted. Something relevant to the action being shown like a signal or a gradient or milepost. Maybe 3 seconds long each. They were called "foxcats" in the early days of filming. Fox Talbot used to film cats as cutaways to help edit shots together, (I mentioned this a few years ago here!)

Fascinating subject, all done to make a film look smooth and flow nicely for the viewers. Sound transition between scenes is also important, and that of 45699 we are discussing here under the bridge was, IMHO, very good. The sound should often, (but not always), flow as though it comes from a continuous scene that doesn't involve cutting two scenes together. When I used to make BBVP videos, more so as I progressed, I spent more and more time on the sound tracks to make them flow better. All basic stuff now of course, in the days of digital everything!

But back to Nat Pres. Everyone tries hard with their videos, no doubt. And I do enjoy watching every one of them. It's steam on the mainline after all and at present my lovely Owls mean I can't get to see any. And just sometimes one seems to stand out to me, like 45699, and I feel it right to say so. Could be the person who filmed is vastly more knowledgeable on the subject than I ever was and what I say sounds really naff, but I'll still say it!

 

I remember that shot of 46115 very well Ralph and like you say it was a masterpiece .

 

Crossing the line.......................moving to Brighton.
Reverse cutting.........................see "crossing the line"
Cutaways...................................jeans cut off at the knees.

 

Great stuff, looks like Stocbar was the place to be for the good light again.

Steven

 

Thanks Steven, I could see the dark clouds South of Kirkby Stephen as I drove towards Appleby so thought there may be a chance of sun at Stockber .

 

Crikey lads, you're all very kind - much appreciated, as well as all the 'likes'.

Many thanks indeed. I generally agree about bridge parapets; the main reason for its inclusion there is that the parapet on that particular bridge has been raised to about 6 feet (it forms part of the Pennine Bridleway); an awkward spot when you're 5'11"!

Very kind Ralph and Steve - you have excellent memories! It's funny, I haven't watched that video back for years - I think I'd capture the scene better today, but nevertheless enjoyed watching it again. Although filmed in HD, the upload is at a glorious resolution of 360 pixels; such were the limitations of Youtube back then I guess. So, for one night only ...



Dull weather but 45 mph over the top, safety valves lifting, Mr. Hodgson at the regulator. Those initial runs with the Scot were quite special - with the added anticipation of not knowing quite what to expect performance-wise. It's hard to imagine the mainline without it these days.

 

Wonderful stuff Linesider !

 

Many thanks all, much appreciated

 

Agreed -- but even so, please nicely Linesider, how about re-uploading it to YouTube in HD?

 

I'll second that - I think it's a great advert for what we do to those outside our circle.