Tornado

Exactly. A convenient one, easy for the donor to use, and minimal admin for the recipient.

 

And from Instagram yesterday :-

 

Well it worked...smart move that...

 

Q. Regarding the support coach - Is it 'necessary' to pick out bearing caps, springs, dampers and hose ends in this gaudy palette and is it just for 'we have uprated bogies and we are on the big railway so nerr' show .

 

I think that's pretty standard for Commonwealth bogies. From memory, don't the different colours represent different weight ratings... Give it a couple of week's worth of brake dust and you won't be able to notice.

 

I believe yellow bearing caps are routinely used to indicate ball or roller bearings, certainly very much used on BR Std locomotives. Telescopic dampers in Blue is also very common and hose/electrical connectors colour helps to locate correct pairs. Practical rather than random "gaudy".

 

The trust is also now asking for £30,000+ to install the cylinder block onto the frames of the P2. I didn't realise crane hire cost so much.

 

Also stated that the block is not scheduled for installation until ‘later this year’. I’d assume without the block in place there’s no point in fitting the boiler? I think we can forget the P2 being the star of the S&D 200 in 2025.



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All colour coded for a purpose. As others have said, Commonwealth bogies have yellow bearing caps. Hoses/connectors are painted to indicate what they are.

 

For inter vehicle connectors i concede, but surely the people who maintain a support coach, know what bogies it has and know the ratings of its components and are responsible for and therefore know its maintenance requirements and therefore dont need the painting by numbers stuff...so no cereal bowls from me.

 

It's authentic so what's the problem with authenticity? And do you know the requirements for colour coding as laid down by ORR and other authorities? This coach will be running on the big railway and the big railway is full of regulations which must be adhered to. Look at any airbraked vehicle on the railway and you'll find the pipe connectors are colour coded. This is for a reason and that reason isn't just to annoy you.

 

The fact that you know what your vehicle is equipped with doesn't mean everyone else does, and if it needs to go somewhere else for, say, an emergency repair, then that repair facility also knows at a glance what it's dealing with.

I can't see your problem here. The things have to be painted anyway; it just means opening some tins of different colour paints. Why is it a problem?

 

Tornado is fitted with a two pipe air braking system, I hope you are not going to complain about the colour coding of the pipes under the buffer beam, it’s done to ensure the fireman or shunter doesn’t connect them the wrong way. Roller bearing axle box ends have always been painted yellow

 

Given that the support coach looks like it has just been released from the paint shop at Carnforth, it's had the standard WCR maroon treatment, including the bogies.

Out of interest, does anyone know when it was painted? Leaves on the trees make it look like last summer.

 

Colour coding is used widely in many industries, it's a 'fail safe' way of doing things. There's nothing wrong with it, quite the opposite in fact. Fasten the wrong air line up on say an HGV or a train and all hell could happen. And I'd want the correct rated coil spring under my support coach.

 

But there's more going on than just plonking the casting into the frames, surely? What about all the fittings to keep it in position?

 

So having conceded that coding intervehicle connectors maybe necessary i get 3 replies telling me about intervehicle connectors... good reading gents.
If gaily decorated bogies is a requirement then its a requirement and I can like it or lump it but given its absence from plenty of other rolling stock i wonder?

 

I think you got a bit more than that actually: 'good reading' works both ways.

 

Ok.
Time to drop that and let the Tornado thread get back to itself...

 

You don't get it do you. Every single vehicle with this type of bogie - and there were thousands of them - came out of overhaul painted thus. The reason that you do not recognise it is because shiny painted bogies fade very quickly indeed - after only a day or two out on the road they are covered in dirt and grime (think brake dust and direct discharge toilet waste), so what you think of as gaudy has gone until the next overhaul.

Here is the same coach at Aberdeen Ferryhill in July 2021 with its bogies as they usually seen when in traffic.


Peter