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Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by ralphchadkirk, May 31, 2009.

  1. shredder1

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    the police dont appear to be bothered?
     
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    The people on the platform edge don't seem to be doing anything wrong as there are no signs saying do not pass this point trespass ect.
    The rest are away from the tracks so don't look to be in danger.

    As for 43396 I would be glad to :smt003
     
  3. shredder1

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    theres no signs along most of the ECML, so does than mean we can walk around between trains, lol, funny how times change, back in the 50s we used to be all over the place lineside, especially when a special was around, BR use to do lineside passess too, but trains and faster and quieter these day I suppose and some aspects of H&S have gone a little overboard, guards van trips on the main line were common place and everyone used to bail out at each stop.
     
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    .....and me too?? (42296) :smt103
     
  5. Columbine

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    Yes I remember those times too, and neither I nor anyone else ever got into danger, which is why I'm so laid back about it now! The only person I've ever heard of who got himself into accidental danger (ie excluding suicides) was G.J. Churchward.

    B*GG*ER the HSE

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    Don't forget William Huskisson - it was almost 180 years ago though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Huskisson
     
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    lol, yeah great days mate
     
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    a few years back I was in the signal box at Chatmoss and chatting to the signalman who told me on dark windy nights old Huskisson ghost comes knocking on the cabin
     
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    Martin Perry Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Long walk - even for a ghost!
     
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    Hmmm, yes, I thought that :-k
     
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    I guess the point we maybe missing is this

    with no lineside passes and even after not having a diesel gala for some time , this years event has attracted considerable unauthorised lineside access . people are not taking any notice of warnings and instructions . The current policy isn't working , whatever the rights and wrongs of it and what's needed is a different view .

    As an aside on my way home today I saw a contractor on the national network , walking down the 4ft on a live running line albeit towards oncoming trains

    similarly a couple of weeks ago despite a notice to the effect that access from the end of the platform was banned even to railway staff , one proceded to go across the track at that point . So if the professionals won't follow instruction what hope have the ameteurs got ?
     
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    Sorry forgot about him. A few years ago I came across a statue of him in a small park in Pimlico just by the river. I believe the statue originally stood over his grave in Liverpool.

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    Ironically, walking in the 4ft can often be the safest place if their ain't a cess.
     
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    I did think that, i don't claim to know much about health & safety for mainline working but surely on the southern region the further away from the juice the better ?.
     
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    I took the opportunity of checking up with a colleague in Network Rail this afternoon and my understanding is that you can down the $ft as an authorised Network rail person with a lookout present and when the view is clear . So there you go , learn something new everyday
     
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    Provided you have COSS/IWA on your Sentinal card, it is not a red zone prohibited location and you have complied with Rimini, you can be on the track on your own.
     
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    Sorry about this, but ... what are 'COSS/IWA', 'Sentinal card' (is that the correct spelling) and 'Rimini'.

    Regards
     
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    COSS = Controller of Site Safety
    IWA = Individual Working Alone

    Sentinel card details click here

    The Rimini (risk minimisation) system is the colloquial name for Network Rail's company standard RT/LS/S/019, Protection of people working on or near the line, which came into force in December 2002.
     
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    Good morning every one.

    I've read through many of the postings on the subject of tresspass and associated issues since my first posting on this site.

    There appears to be several inter-related threads running through the various postings which stem from tresspass / no hi-viz / no official photographic passes at the MHR deisel gala.

    1. The first concern is obviously safety not just locally at the MHR but nationally. Everyone must accept that the MHR has a no lineside pass policy. In spite of this photters do and will get on the lineside. Maybe the railway press should publicise the fact that MHR and possibly other lines have a no lineside pass policy. the message then has to be hammered home in whatever way possible that those who transgress this policy only ensure that the MHR management remains determined to keep that policy. I will turn to an old Aesop fable: It is about a traveller and the sun and wind decide to have a competition to get the traveller to take his cloak off. the wind tries first and starts with a gentle breeze and eventually the traveller wraps his cloak tightly around himself because "wind" is now force 10 and very cold. The traveller does not remove his cloak. the sun then has his turn and gently the warmth spreads to the traveller and instead of bowing forward with his cloak tight around him, he losens it and as the sun warms further, he takes his cloak off. The analogy is that the more stick that the MHR management gets from the punters and photters through ignoring their policy, the more they will not want to attempt to go down the path of re-opening up safe sections of the lineside to official lineside pass holders. In effect, those that persist in trespassing only spoil it for the majority.

    The MHR driver was right when he gave a hint that picking up bits of meat from the lineside that a few minutes before had been a living photter is something that we all should contemplate and inwardly digest. We have to act objectively and in some cases on this site write responsibly and objectively too.

    2. "Fred's" suggestion of a national lineside recognition / pass for all heritage railways that permit lineside photographic passes is a very good idea. It should be followed up. The fact that there is this National preservation site demonstrates that there is enough technology to get such a scheme recognised and operated nationally. Charges for a day in my opinion should match the prevailing return train fare on that particular line plus a small premium for administration. that way we would get away from the oft used accusation that photters contribute very little to the preservation movement. I beleive that the majority do, but a formal scheme would certainly lay that argument to rest.

    3. Trespass on any railway in itself has as someone has mentioned been enshrined in the laws, regulation and by-laws of the British railway system since the granting of acts of parliament for each of those lines. What I'm not sure of is whether once a linehas been closed by BR and then re-opened by a preservation group, whether those original rules etc,etc remain in force. maybe a preservation society manger can enlighten us.

    I must say that when I looked at a posting of a platform scene of Chepstow prior to the arrival of Tornado has me wondering why the three transport police officers on the platform were not stopping Joe public from walking and standing on the platform ramps.

    Finally, having just joined this forum, ther are some well written and thought out comments and postings but sadly the tone of some others leads me to not want to read them. remember that Aesops fable.

    kind regards,

    80154
     
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    I suppose an Hi Viz cloak wouldnt go a miss, lol, good post mate =D>
     

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