Turkish 8Fs

Ah, Bongo's baby.

 

:smt075 interesting.

 

42859 would find a lot of favour with a lot of people. My little experience with 42765 showed me just how good these machines are. A bit like a K1, only better!

 

Agree with you in principle but I reckon there's enough 'Mission Impossibles' around to last for the next generation already...and possibly another generation after that!

 

True, lets hope it works out.
I recently saw a report into one Barry wreck suggesting it will cost around £800k to restore.. and it wasnt a particularly exciting locomotive, the repairs "only included the obvious & knowns" and that wouldnt be on the mainline either !
Some wrecks are getting expensive to recover !! whats the dividing line between £800-£1m for a tank engine wreck restore, over building a brand new tank engine perhaps ?

I dont know about 42859, but if it needs a boiler/firebox and or new tender, probably motion, fittings... well it's a job enough for someone, it could be all thats original and usable is the frames, wheels and tender frames !

 

The thing with the MI's listed above, is that they are premuinm named loco's, if 42859 was a King or Jubilee, I dont think it would be still sat in a yard in a heap!!!!

 

Who actually owns that Crab. If its location is ex-RAF Binbrook, why? I, and probably quite a few others, don't know the history here.

 

Funnily enough there was more than one serious party after 48173 when it was available, the second party which was ultimately unsuccessful even acquired a Stanier tender to go behind it. This tender has since been sold to the current owner of 48173.

 

doesnt anyone actually have a picture of these surviving 8Fs?

 

Personally; I think New Builds are the way forward when you consider the amount of dosh needed now to restore some of the Barry wrecks that are still lying around. I think I am right in saying that there are no Loco's waiting for restoration that we don't have good examples of in restored condition already. Ok; so some of us would like to see every Bulleid in mainline running condition etc but with the costs involved in say...restoring '249 Squadron' to mainline running condition, would it not make more sense to build a new Un-rebuilt version of a 'Merchant Navy'? If someone has the dosh to invest I would have thought this was the better option.

 

What new builds can never give is a sense of connection with the past. As someone once said to me, Tornado, though a fabulous piece of kit, is brand new and unmarked, whereas if you are on the footplate of one of the working A4s you can hold the regulator handle that was previously held by Bill Hoole and his colleagues and have that connection with the past. That's the reason why many folk would prefer to restore a wreck than build new.

 

Couldn't agree with you more although it would be nice to see 249 Squadron restored to at least heritage railway running condition. Not that we're short of Bulleids but any loco that commemorates the Battle of Britain deserves restoration in my book.

 

Surely the way forward is to choose a national fleet of locos, and spares, that going forward will keep a steam legacy for years to come. We have to all be realistic; 30 to 40 years from now will the people be there to support the current preservation movement? All Monies will be an issue for some years to come. Olympics 2012, like it or not, will continue to take Lottery funds from Heritage Funding. The challenge is going to be finding the correct balance, restoration or New Builds!

 

Already been done....it's called the NRM

This has been discussed many times before, with the following summaries being the main viewpoints:

1) A group of people taking the view that remaining locos should be cut up to provide spares for running locos, to free up siding space and to present railways without the 'scrapline' siding.

2) A group of people who wish all remaining unrestored locos to be fully restored in the future, on the assumption that money/skills will be available and that 'challenges' will be desired by future generations.

3) A group of people who regard skills/manpower/money as finite and believe that efforts should be concentrated on keeping appropriate locos running (whether for the mainline or heritage railways), and that all other locos should be stored/cosmetically restored as exhibits.

Whichever viewpoint you take, it should be remembered that all locos, whether they are running or in scrapyard condition have owners, - who are we to say that unrestored loco X should be scrapped to provide spares for loco Y? I'm sure the owner(s) wouldn't be too happy that someone else is deciding the fate of their loco!


Keith

 

wow not realy much differene but im not too keen on the tanks makes it look odd lol