Vale of Berkeley Railway

With associated light engine movements to Bristol every time there is a tour and of course these facilities will have to be constructed and paid for.

 

Have you tried an FoI request to the NRM for a copy of the loan agreement?

Their likely respose would be a pro-forma stating that it is commercially confidential. In which case tell them that you are going to refer it to the Information Commissioner which might provoke a more informative response.

 

Since submitting the post a senior curator from the NRM has posted on another thread https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/next-nrm-restoration-and-other-questions.679219/ that 4027 is expected to steam within 12 -18 months. That suggests that the NRM are happy with the current arrangements and this will be the next National Collection steam locomotive to become active. For now I am happy to leave it at that. The Curator I know has inherited some very difficult legacies to deal with but has made / is making significant progress. You won't read much about this in the magazines because its not FLYING SCOTSMAN but progress is being made. He is also well aware of my concerns and where we still disagree each others views are respected.

Something the NRM has no control of is what becomes of rolling stock after it has been de-accessioned from the National Collection and transferred to others. When things go wrong, as has been the case with several items, that reflects badly on the NRM even though they have no influence after the item has left their jurisdiction. The LNWR Breakdown Crane and 50033 GLORIOUS being examples that have been picked up on by the magazines.

Clearly the Gloucestershire-Warwickshire Railway has not been a happy ship in recent years but it is creditable that they have been able to sort out their problems with the door only slightly ajar. The formerly Gloucestershire-Warwickshire Railway and before that Dorset based, Churchill (8F) Locomotive Company appear to be very much involved at the Vale of Berkeley and appear to have moved most, if not all of their rolling stock their. Also, as mentioned above there has been a parting of the ways with a former long standing director with quite an extensive collection of rolling stock some of which has also now moved to the Vale of Berkeley.

Will the Vale of Berkeley flourish - no idea. Lets see where we are in a few years time. Contrasting views on the current state of the preserved railway movement already aired. I do sometimes wonder though if those who think all in the garden is rosy are influenced by the magazines which paint a rather good picture - galas, completed restorations and other positive developments. There is though another side but you need to visit the smaller and less well established locations either on normal operating days or when they are not operating at all. This is what I actually do regularly and whilst I am very encouraged by what I see at the likes of Midsomer Norton and Alnwick there are many locations where I fear for the future - why does almost everyone involved appear to qualify for a bus pass!

 

I meant anti as in opposite, not against

 

Peter - to pick up on one point - the time I will be able to give sensible amounts of time to a preserved line will probably be when I retire and therefore qualify for a bus pass - if I manage it before then it will be after the kids have left home by which time I will probably look like I qualify even if I don't quite! There are probably two golden era's for volunteering - when you've retired or when you are young enough to have few commitments like kids.

 

I don't think we've been an unhappy ship at all! There's always something on every railway for volunteers to grumble about, but most of the time we're just getting on with running the railway and having a nice time in the process. So Re the door being only slightly ajar, there's not that much behind it!

Personally I'm not convinced the VBR is going to be a success, purely based on the fact that I think the time of starting heritage railways has gone, and it's not in a particularly brilliant area. However I wish them no ill.

 

As previously hoped for, please contest the argument rather than attack the person! I don't "fight from the sidelines" any more than you do. We will wait to see how "thriving" it is when rail has to be replaced and the boilers run out.

PH

 

Rail has been replaced and boilers are quite often being repaired Paul...

 

The biggest boiler which has actually been replaced (or rather is being replaced) is on a 2ft. gauge Garratt. Otherwise nothing bigger than an A1x.

Paul H

 

But boilers constantly being repaired to a higher and higher standard means that you're unlikely to have to replace a whole boiler at once, but keep renewing it a bit at a time. Boiler inspectors aren't getting any less happy at the standard of loco boilers as time marches on.

 

Are you really sure you are not just thinking wishfully?

Paul H

 

Indeed not but until it actually happens it is still in the "jam tomorrow" category.

PH

 

Perhaps that is because nothing bigger currently needs a new boiler. The A1 team has shown that a whole new boiler four a Class 8 is possible and other groups are not too far behind so anything between an A1 and an A1X should be possible.

 

I just hope this does not come into the "I hope therefore it is" category! Without embarrassing anybody by naming the group concerned we are all aware of the machine which had a major overhaul only to have its firebox condemned almost immediately. Gricers are eternal (over) optimists.

PH

 

And the "cracked record award" goes to ………………………….
Must remember to tell the Patriot guys and gals and the A1 team that they are over optimistic.
And there are plenty of groups who have not had a firebox condemned almost immediately after overhaul.

 

Paul, I've found you a new and suitable avatar:


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we are all aware of the machine which had a major overhaul only to have its firebox condemned almost immediately.

I think that in that particular case a gamble was taken that didn't pay off. In any case, boilers are not that complex. the Patriot boiler is bigger than most and that is coming along well, and that for 82045 is as well. All-new copper fireboxes are becoming increasingly common, steel fireboxes are fairly straightforward in the smaller sizes and boiler barrel sections are relatively trivial. The main worries are cost and the continued availability of arsenical copper.

 

Yet again you just can't stop playing the person rather than the argument. The issue here is one of re-boilering existing machines not about "newbuilds".

 

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