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Waverley 2015

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by pete12000, Jul 19, 2015.

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  1. ragl

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    Brilliant & Wonderful indeed! That really works so well on the S & C on a dull day; top editing too David. many thanks for sharing.

    Cheers,

    Alan
     
    ragl, Aug 17, 2015
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  2. Shep Woolley

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    Can only give you 10 out of ten for this one David-great stuff
     
    Shep Woolley, Aug 17, 2015
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    spectacular footage...great stuff!
     
    DWH 2848, Aug 17, 2015
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  4. sgthompson

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    Thank you , it was one of those I was there moments !
     
    sgthompson, Aug 17, 2015
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  5. MellishR

    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    It might be more than a few. The more easily people from other parts of the country can join a trip and get home afterwards, the larger the potential market. I've done many trips starting from most of the London termini and a few starting from Tyseley or Birmingham, but very very few starting further north. Winter CMEs work well, starting with electric traction from Euston and picking up at several places. How about (just for instance) Euston-Carnforth with electric, Carnforth-Shap-Newcastle with steam, Newcastle-Kings Cross electric?
     
    MellishR, Aug 17, 2015
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  6. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    Straight away you increase the complexity of the operation, three loco's doing one way trips, all adding to the costs. But suggest it to RTC, you never know.
     
    RalphW, Aug 17, 2015
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  7. Paul42

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    RTC did a trip in 2014 - Kings Cross - Hellifield - Carlisle - Hexham- York - Kings Cross see http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t14/t0510e.htm
     
    Paul42, Aug 17, 2015
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  8. Linesider

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    Thanks very much Alan and Shep, much appreciated. 45690 certainly looked the part, and I'll not dwell on how much slower she was than 5043 which I filmed from the same location :Banghead:
     
    Linesider, Aug 17, 2015
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  9. Spamcan81

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    Jubilee - Class 5XP. Castle - Class 7P. Not surprising the Castle was faster. Were the loads the same?
     
    Spamcan81, Aug 17, 2015
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    5043 plus 10 Coaches plus 47 not working. The late Mike Notley in the cab of the 47 recorded that 5043 had an edhp of 2030 for the last mile.
     
    Paul42, Aug 18, 2015
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  11. MellishR

    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    I read that and thought "Why wasn't I on that?", then realised that it was because I did both the Plymouth trips, on 9th and 1oth. I hope RTC do it again, or something similar.
     
    MellishR, Aug 18, 2015
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  12. Linesider

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    Yes I'm aware of that. But the Castle is a GWR engine? ;)
     
    Linesider, Aug 18, 2015
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  13. Where's Mazeppa?

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    As Linesider's post #72 indicates, this is as probably much about homage to Swindon products as it is about Ais Gill performance metrics. But just to underscore Paul42's reminder of the fantastic/ almost unprecedented performance that the Earl delivered on 2010's Pride of Swindon outing, its also worth recalling that 5043 repeated something approaching its earlier feat with its March 2012 ascent hauling VT's "Shap, Settle and Carlisle" in the charge of Driver Gordon Hodgson and with Load 11 in tow.

    This, if you recall, followed the removal of 6201 at Appleby with a tender axle hot box. Fortunately, pjhliners was on hand on both this earlier occasion and on Sunday's Waverley to record and post the result on NatPres, so we have yet another direct comparison (or at least an illustration) of the contrast in Load 11 performance with 5XP and 7P haulage.

    Sunday's run...."After water at Appleby we hit 51 just before Great Ormside but were down to 30 at Kirkby Stephen and 27 out of Birkett Tunnel. Half way up Mallerstang we had a short blast up to 35 at Shoregill but again speed slipped down to pass Angerholme at 29, with a minimum of 25 just before the summit."

    The Earl's 2012 run..."Setting off (from Appleby) still early after a quick splash, we were doing 57 by Smardale Viaduct, 46 through Kirkby Stephen and Birkett, then accelerated up Mallerstang, making most of the climb at 50 or just under, with 48 at the summit."

    (With due acknowledgement and thanks to pjhliners).

    Make of that what you will. This comparison isn't intended to be partisan or particularly pro-Swindon, (although I'm sorely tempted!!); to my way of looking at this, it just illustrates what the significant difference can be (all other things being equal) between the performance of 4-6-0's with a tractive effort of 26610 lbs ft versus 31630 lbs ft. in hill-climbing conditions.
     
    Where's Mazeppa?, Aug 18, 2015
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  14. steamingyorkshire

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    LMS 'Jubilee' No.45690 'Leander' is seen passing Anley Crag on the approach to Settle on the 16th August 2015 with 'The Waverley' heading to Carlisle.

    Video Available Here
     
    steamingyorkshire, Aug 18, 2015
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  15. RalphW

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    What also has to be factored in is the willingness of the owners to tell the driver to give the loco her head.
     
    RalphW, Aug 18, 2015
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  16. Big Dave

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    Lets remember 5029 has not had a brilliant record on the S&C certainly no better than a Jubilee if as good.
    Not taking anything from 5043 a fairer comparison unfortunately not possible would be 45735/6
     
    Big Dave, Aug 18, 2015
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  17. Gareth

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    Any idea of the loco that will do this Sunday's Waverley ?
     
    Gareth, Aug 20, 2015
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  18. 26D_M

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    45231 hasn't had a turn this week so the rotation policy might apply?
     
    26D_M, Aug 21, 2015
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  19. Gareth

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    ********, was worried that night be the answer, was hoping for 45690 !
     
    Gareth, Aug 21, 2015
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    Mentioned in Fellsman thread that Leander stopped for boiler repairs, unconfirmed report so who knows?!
     
    26D_M, Aug 21, 2015
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