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Webb locomotives of the LNWR

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  1. neildimmer

    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    Collections of photos of Francis Webb locos of the LNWR

    This collection features Webb 18 inch goods 'Cauliflowers' Class 0-6-0
    Including this colour photo of
    58427 unknown location last of class
    https://tinyurl.com/2p954xky

    LNWR era photos start here with
    777 on Huddersfield Hillhouse shed
    https://tinyurl.com/489pdax6
    to
    2467
    https://tinyurl.com/yc5jfysx

    LMS era photos start here with
    8358 double heads 5034 Gloworm at Keswick
    https://tinyurl.com/3ehtbjsy
    to
    28622 Penrith just off the turntable
    https://tinyurl.com/4z29cn5d

    B.R. era starts here with
    58343 possibly at Crewe works
    https://tinyurl.com/4aetn8ek

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    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    Collections of photos of Francis Webb locos of the LNWR
    This collection features Webb LNWR 17 inch 'Coal Engine' class 0-6-0
    The LNWR 17in Coal Engine was a class of 0-6-0 steam tender engines designed by Francis Webb for the London and North Western Railway. They were simple locomotives and in UK service they were very reliable. "17in" refers to their cylinder diameter in inches. They were called "Coal Engines" because they were used for hauling coal trains.
    The 17in Coal engine was the first new design of engine to be built by Webb since he became Chief Engineer of the LNWR in September 1871. A policy of 'low costs' was in force at the LNWR, with running costs per engine mile reduced from 10+3⁄4d per engine mile in 1857 to 7+3⁄4d by 1871. The first 17in Coal was constructed in 1873, the first of almost five hundred built. Ernest L. Ahrons is quoted as regarding the type as "probably the simplest and cheapest locomotives ever made in this country" and O.S. Nock described them as "splendid".
    Many aspects of the 17in Coal's design reflected John Ramsbottom's final design: the 0-6-0 Special Tank, including the identical wheel diameter and cylinder dimensions, but the new engines had a larger, improved boiler. In February 1878, one engine of this design was built from scratch in 25+1⁄2 hours.
    During the First World War the Railway Operating Division of the Royal Engineers took many Coal Engines for use overseas, including many to the British Expeditionary Force in France and 42 to the Palestine Military Railway. Those in Palestine were reported to have performed badly and Palestine Railways sold them all for scrap by 1922.[6] This may have been due partly to the poor quality of water used in Palestine.
    227 Coal Engines passed into LMS stock after the 1923 grouping. 35 survived until the nationalisation of Britain's Railways in 1948 and entered British Railways stock. BR numbers were 58321-58361 (with gaps).

    Built in 1879 58336 stands outside Crewe Works paint shop in 1952
    https://tinyurl.com/2p93jae4

    Full collection of over 80 photos starts here with
    LMS era (4 digit numbers)
    8088
    https://tinyurl.com/bde62su6
    to
    8603 at Crewe 1935
    https://tinyurl.com/ycycpv4h

    LMS era (5 digit numbers)
    28093 Crewe works
    https://tinyurl.com/2ns6mv38
    to
    28497 Crewe North
    https://tinyurl.com/37pkw3br

    B.R. era
    59326 Crewe station
    https://tinyurl.com/yc52zz8d
    to
    58343 Crewe 1949
    https://tinyurl.com/2hjfmkse

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  3. neildimmer

    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    Collection of photos of Webb Improved Precedent Class 2-4-0

    The London and North Western Railway (LNWR) Improved Precedent Class or Renewed Precedent Class is a class of 2-4-0 steam locomotives originally designed for express passenger work. They later gained the nickname of Jumbos.
    The locomotives were designed by F. W. Webb. A total of 158 were built in batches by Crewe Works 1887–1897 with two further additions in 1898 and 1901 respectively. They were officially "renewals" (i.e. replacements) of 96 Newton Class and 62 Precedent Class, so that, for accountancy purposes, they could be charged against the Revenue account rather than the Capital account of a "new" locomotive. On renewal, they kept the numbers and names of their predecessors, and as a result the numbering system continued to be completely haphazard. In addition, the eight Precedent class locomotives that were not renewed, were rebuilt to the Improved specification, but they retained their original 7⁄8-inch (22.2 mm) thick frames, whereas the renewed locomotives had 1-inch (25.4 mm) frames.
    On 22 August 1895, 790 Hardwicke took 2 hours and 6 minutes for the 141 miles (227 km) from Crewe to Carlisle, with an average speed of 67.1 mph (108.0 km/h), setting up a new speed record during the Race to the North.
    Withdrawals started in December 1905.
    The London, Midland and Scottish Railway acquired 76 upon the grouping of 1923, and gave them the power classification 1P. The LMS assigned these the numbers 5004–79, in order of build date, though not all received them as withdrawals continued apace. By the end of 1933, only 5001 Snowdon survived and in April 1934 it was renumbered 25001 to clear the number 5001 for an LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0, but was withdrawn in October that year.

    Including this photo of
    5036 Novelty & Claughton 2204 Sir Herbert Walker K.C.B. at Crewe c1924
    https://tinyurl.com/2p9uvysa

    Full collection of 48 photos starts here with this photo of Preserved Hardwicke
    790 Hardwicke at the Birmingham New St centenary on 1954
    https://tinyurl.com/4fwjccj9

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    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    Collection of photos of Webb LNWR 5ft 6in Tank Class 1P 2-4-2T

    The LNWR 5ft 6in Tank was a class of 160 passenger 2-4-2T locomotives manufactured by the London and North Western Railway in their Crewe Works between 1890 and 1897. The "5ft 6in" in the title referred to the diameter of the driving wheels – although the stated dimension was for the wheel centres – the nominal diameter including the tyres was 5 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,740 mm).
    The design featured a boiler pressed to 150 lbf/in2 (1.03 MPa) delivering saturated steam to two 17 by 24 inches (430 by 610 mm) cylinders connected by Joy valve gear to the driving wheels.
    They were effectively a tank version of the LNWR Webb Precursor Class, which were then being withdrawn.
    Three locomotives were withdrawn before the 1923 Grouping; the remaining 157 locomotive passed to the London, Midland and Scottish Railway who renumbered them 6600–6757, and gave them power classification 1P.
    Forty-two locomotives were fitted up between 1929 and 1932 by the LMS for push-pull train service.
    Two were sold to the War Department in 1930 and 1931; they served on the Longmoor Military Railway where they were became LMR 22 Earl Haig and LMR 23 Earl Roberts. No. 22 was scrapped circa 1939, No. 23 lasted long enough to be renumbered WD 206, but was scrapped during the war.
    Forty-three survived to British Railways service in 1948; their numbers were increased by 40000. The last of the class was withdrawn in September 1955 and none were preserved.

    Including this photo of
    46654 at Bushbury c1949
    https://tinyurl.com/dnx2hf2d

    2 LNWR era photos start here with
    1386
    https://tinyurl.com/y2cdtfxk

    LMS era photos start here with
    6603 at Crewe 20th August 1939 2 weeks before outbreak of WWII
    https://tinyurl.com/3tpussvp
    To
    6757
    https://tinyurl.com/e6sc97c3

    B.R. era starts here with
    46601 at Leighton Buzzard (though still with LMS on side tanks)
    https://tinyurl.com/yc7zxr2a

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