Webb locomotives of the LNWR

Collections of photos of Francis Webb locos of the LNWR

This collection features Webb 18 inch goods 'Cauliflowers' Class 0-6-0
Including this colour photo of
58427 unknown location last of class
https://tinyurl.com/2p954xky

LNWR era photos start here with
777 on Huddersfield Hillhouse shed
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to
2467
https://tinyurl.com/yc5jfysx

LMS era photos start here with
8358 double heads 5034 Gloworm at Keswick
https://tinyurl.com/3ehtbjsy
to
28622 Penrith just off the turntable
https://tinyurl.com/4z29cn5d

B.R. era starts here with
58343 possibly at Crewe works
https://tinyurl.com/4aetn8ek

Neil

 

Collections of photos of Francis Webb locos of the LNWR
This collection features Webb LNWR 17 inch 'Coal Engine' class 0-6-0
The LNWR 17in Coal Engine was a class of 0-6-0 steam tender engines designed by Francis Webb for the London and North Western Railway. They were simple locomotives and in UK service they were very reliable. "17in" refers to their cylinder diameter in inches. They were called "Coal Engines" because they were used for hauling coal trains.
The 17in Coal engine was the first new design of engine to be built by Webb since he became Chief Engineer of the LNWR in September 1871. A policy of 'low costs' was in force at the LNWR, with running costs per engine mile reduced from 10+3⁄4d per engine mile in 1857 to 7+3⁄4d by 1871. The first 17in Coal was constructed in 1873, the first of almost five hundred built. Ernest L. Ahrons is quoted as regarding the type as "probably the simplest and cheapest locomotives ever made in this country" and O.S. Nock described them as "splendid".
Many aspects of the 17in Coal's design reflected John Ramsbottom's final design: the 0-6-0 Special Tank, including the identical wheel diameter and cylinder dimensions, but the new engines had a larger, improved boiler. In February 1878, one engine of this design was built from scratch in 25+1⁄2 hours.
During the First World War the Railway Operating Division of the Royal Engineers took many Coal Engines for use overseas, including many to the British Expeditionary Force in France and 42 to the Palestine Military Railway. Those in Palestine were reported to have performed badly and Palestine Railways sold them all for scrap by 1922.[6] This may have been due partly to the poor quality of water used in Palestine.
227 Coal Engines passed into LMS stock after the 1923 grouping. 35 survived until the nationalisation of Britain's Railways in 1948 and entered British Railways stock. BR numbers were 58321-58361 (with gaps).

Built in 1879 58336 stands outside Crewe Works paint shop in 1952
https://tinyurl.com/2p93jae4

Full collection of over 80 photos starts here with
LMS era (4 digit numbers)
8088
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to
8603 at Crewe 1935
https://tinyurl.com/ycycpv4h

LMS era (5 digit numbers)
28093 Crewe works
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to
28497 Crewe North
https://tinyurl.com/37pkw3br

B.R. era
59326 Crewe station
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to
58343 Crewe 1949
https://tinyurl.com/2hjfmkse

Neil

 

Collection of photos of Webb Improved Precedent Class 2-4-0

The London and North Western Railway (LNWR) Improved Precedent Class or Renewed Precedent Class is a class of 2-4-0 steam locomotives originally designed for express passenger work. They later gained the nickname of Jumbos.
The locomotives were designed by F. W. Webb. A total of 158 were built in batches by Crewe Works 1887–1897 with two further additions in 1898 and 1901 respectively. They were officially "renewals" (i.e. replacements) of 96 Newton Class and 62 Precedent Class, so that, for accountancy purposes, they could be charged against the Revenue account rather than the Capital account of a "new" locomotive. On renewal, they kept the numbers and names of their predecessors, and as a result the numbering system continued to be completely haphazard. In addition, the eight Precedent class locomotives that were not renewed, were rebuilt to the Improved specification, but they retained their original 7⁄8-inch (22.2 mm) thick frames, whereas the renewed locomotives had 1-inch (25.4 mm) frames.
On 22 August 1895, 790 Hardwicke took 2 hours and 6 minutes for the 141 miles (227 km) from Crewe to Carlisle, with an average speed of 67.1 mph (108.0 km/h), setting up a new speed record during the Race to the North.
Withdrawals started in December 1905.
The London, Midland and Scottish Railway acquired 76 upon the grouping of 1923, and gave them the power classification 1P. The LMS assigned these the numbers 5004–79, in order of build date, though not all received them as withdrawals continued apace. By the end of 1933, only 5001 Snowdon survived and in April 1934 it was renumbered 25001 to clear the number 5001 for an LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0, but was withdrawn in October that year.

Including this photo of
5036 Novelty & Claughton 2204 Sir Herbert Walker K.C.B. at Crewe c1924
https://tinyurl.com/2p9uvysa

Full collection of 48 photos starts here with this photo of Preserved Hardwicke
790 Hardwicke at the Birmingham New St centenary on 1954
https://tinyurl.com/4fwjccj9

Neil

 

Collection of photos of Webb LNWR 5ft 6in Tank Class 1P 2-4-2T

The LNWR 5ft 6in Tank was a class of 160 passenger 2-4-2T locomotives manufactured by the London and North Western Railway in their Crewe Works between 1890 and 1897. The "5ft 6in" in the title referred to the diameter of the driving wheels – although the stated dimension was for the wheel centres – the nominal diameter including the tyres was 5 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,740 mm).
The design featured a boiler pressed to 150 lbf/in2 (1.03 MPa) delivering saturated steam to two 17 by 24 inches (430 by 610 mm) cylinders connected by Joy valve gear to the driving wheels.
They were effectively a tank version of the LNWR Webb Precursor Class, which were then being withdrawn.
Three locomotives were withdrawn before the 1923 Grouping; the remaining 157 locomotive passed to the London, Midland and Scottish Railway who renumbered them 6600–6757, and gave them power classification 1P.
Forty-two locomotives were fitted up between 1929 and 1932 by the LMS for push-pull train service.
Two were sold to the War Department in 1930 and 1931; they served on the Longmoor Military Railway where they were became LMR 22 Earl Haig and LMR 23 Earl Roberts. No. 22 was scrapped circa 1939, No. 23 lasted long enough to be renumbered WD 206, but was scrapped during the war.
Forty-three survived to British Railways service in 1948; their numbers were increased by 40000. The last of the class was withdrawn in September 1955 and none were preserved.

Including this photo of
46654 at Bushbury c1949
https://tinyurl.com/dnx2hf2d

2 LNWR era photos start here with
1386
https://tinyurl.com/y2cdtfxk

LMS era photos start here with
6603 at Crewe 20th August 1939 2 weeks before outbreak of WWII
https://tinyurl.com/3tpussvp
To
6757
https://tinyurl.com/e6sc97c3

B.R. era starts here with
46601 at Leighton Buzzard (though still with LMS on side tanks)
https://tinyurl.com/yc7zxr2a

Neil

 

23 / 83 = Rugeley [duplicates 24 / 83

33 / 83 = Birkenhead [duplicates 30 / 83

 

Collection of photos of Webb Coal Tank

The London and North Western Railway (LNWR) Webb Coal Tank is a class of 0-6-2T steam locomotive. They were called "Coal Tanks" because they were a side tank version of Webb's standard LNWR 17in Coal Engine, an 0-6-0 tender engine for slow freight trains.
Including this photo of
58902 unknown shed alongside Andrew Barclay 1367/4 NCB Lady Windsor 16th April 1954
https://tinyurl.com/2s368m3s
Over 75 photos starts here with LNWR era
102 on Edge Hill shed c1920
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LMS era
7722 with one coach at Huddersfield station
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to
27674
https://tinyurl.com/245tkcx2

B.R. era
58857
https://tinyurl.com/2p9az7dv
to
58926 about to work S.L.S. (Special Last Train from Abergavenny to Merthyr) 5th January 1958
https://tinyurl.com/3xu9r97a

Neil

 

Webb Bissel Tank 0-4-2ST

The LNWR 317 class, (also known as Saddle Tank Shunter, Dock Tank or Bissel Tank) consisted of a class of 20 square saddle-tanked steam locomotives built by the London and North Western Railway at their Crewe Works between 1896 and 1901. They had a very short coupled wheelbase, with a trailing Bissel truck to carry weight.
They were built in three batches of 1, 9 and 10; their first running number was chosen at random from the numbers left vacant by locomotives that had been transferred to the duplicate list. This fate was almost immediately suffered by the 317 class – after only one or two months in service.
All passed to the London, Midland and Scottish Railway in 1923, who initially allocated them the numbers 6400–6419 in the passenger tank sequence. Only five (6402/03/07/14/18) had been renumbered before the numbers were changed to 7850–7869 in 1927, thus moving them into the goods and shunting tanks. The LMS changed their power classification from 1P to 0F at the same time. Two, 7862 and 7865, survived to enter British Railways service in 1948; 7865 was withdrawn in November 1953, and 7862 three years later.
The 3 loco’s were used in Crewe works, including this photo of
47862 Crewe works propped up on wooden blocks
https://tinyurl.com/2vw87y6h

Full collection starts here with LMS era
6418
https://tinyurl.com/h494bty2

B.R era starts here with
47862
https://tinyurl.com/mrdbwcb8

Neil

 

Collection of photos featuring the numerous designs of Webb’s LNWR locos with the unusual wheel arrangements
assorted 2-2-2-0 & 2-2-2-2 Tender locomotives & 2-2-2-2-T & 2-2-4-0T Tank engines

including this photo of
1306 Ionic LNWR Webb Teutonic class 3 cylinder compound 2-2-2-0 design
https://tinyurl.com/4ze8bzee

Full collection starts here
https://tinyurl.com/y24b4k9f

Neil

 

Collection of photos featuring Webb LNWR 4' 6'' Tank 2-4-2T
The LNWR 4ft 6in Tank was a class of 220 passenger 2-4-2T locomotives manufactured by the London and North Western Railway in their Crewe Works between 1879 and 1898. The "4ft 6in" in the title referred to the diameter of the driving wheels – although the stated dimension was for the wheel centres – the nominal diameter including the tyres was 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm).
The design was an extension of the earlier 2234 2-4-0T built from 1876 which became known as "Chopper Tanks".
The design featured a boiler pressed to 150 lbf/in2 (1.03 MPa) delivering saturated steam to two 17-by-20-inch (432 mm × 508 mm) cylinders connected by Joy valve gear to the driving wheels.
They were an extended version of the 2234 class 2-4-0T locomotives, sharing the same boiler and wheelbase.

including this photo of
965 at Heaton Chapel in front of 'Mauldeth Hall Hospital for incurables' date unknown
https://tinyurl.com/bdhb2yrj

25 photos starting with LNWR era start here
691 unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/y47hwvn2

LMS era starts here with
6519 Stainmore branch 25th May 1931
https://tinyurl.com/3bnn7s6f

Neil

 

The LNWR 18-inch Tank class was a class of 80 0-6-2T locomotives built by the London and North Western Railway in their Crewe Works between 1898 and 1902
The design featured a boiler pressed to 150 lbf/in2 (1.03 MPa) delivering saturated steam to two 18 by 24 in (457 by 610 mm) cylinders connected by Joy valve gear to the driving wheels.
The "5ft 3in" in the title referred to the diameter of the driving wheels (usually the stated dimension was for the wheel centres) but which were actually 5 ft 0 in (1.524 m). The nominal diameter including the tyres was 5 ft 2+1⁄2 in (1.588 m).
They were a tank engine version of the LNWR Cauliflower Class, built from 1892.
They were built as mixed traffic locomotives, and were frequently used on suburban services. Their use on Euston to Watford suburban trains gave rise to the nickname "Watford Tanks".
The first locomotive was withdrawn in 1920. By the time of the 1923 Grouping, 77 were still in service and passed to the London, Midland and Scottish Railway who gave them power classification 1P, and renumbered them 6860 to 6939. Fifteen were still in service at nationalisation in 1948, but only two survived to receive their British Railways' number.

Including this photo taken at my local station Huddersfield
6862 at the east end of Huddersfield station
https://tinyurl.com/mr2arhbp

Full collection of 30+ photos starts here with
6861 again at Huddersfield
https://tinyurl.com/ak8kxrze

Neil
https://tinyurl.com/mr2arhbp