Wensleydale Railway Steam Gala 2011 (1st - 3rd July 2011)

Does anyone know which way the engines will be facing at the Gala weekend?

Cheers

 

Most likely facing West ward, seen as in steam days locos faced this way (most likely preferred on the gradient) and the Standard Tank has always faced this way

 

Will we know which trains 30777 and 5643 will be working please?

Best Regards

 

Ive had an email from the WR and they hope the timetable from leeming bar will be:
Friday 1st and Sunday 3rd:
08:30 - 5643, 09:55 - 30777, 11:30 - 5643, 13:00 - 30777, 14:45 - 5643, 16:15 - 30777

Saturday 2nd:
08:30 - 30777, 09:55 - 5643, 11:30 - 30777, 13:00 - 5643, 14:45 - 30777, 16:15 - 5643

*The 19:00 service for the BBQ at redmire from leeming bar will be pulled by 30777.
** 30777 will be pulling the MK1 coach stock and 5643 will be pulling the DMU.

 

Many thanks for the info TrainDude10

 

Its namely due to costs of visiting and money goes so far.... I know the group behind 30777 also look after 45305 and 70013 which are two fantastic engines and the group really is top notch. But having seen Repton and the S15 on the NYMR it irks me that they are here rather than NE machines. I just prefer other engines, and like some rebuilt Southern things like Merchant Navies, but Im allowed a choice and this roster is making me think otherwise. I know its the lines first steam gala but it will go well and I'll be back on the line later in the year.... when something that I think is decent running and makes me want to go and spend my hard earned cash.

 

When you're in a hole, stop digging.

 

Sadly with steam availability the way it is, authentic regional locos for each preserved line is very difficult.

With that in mind the NYMR would operate no services at present with a pool of black 5s and the S15...............none of which were LNER engines.......

62005, 63395 & 60007 should be back in service in the weeks/months ahead though.

Could 69023 find a use at Wensleydale?

My problem is that I am too easily pleased at what is on offer at preserved lines, diesel or steam I will be there, also with the headline "petrol costs permitting".

 

Sadly Andrew 69023 wouldn't be much use, other than a station pilot....which maybe one day that would be nice.

At the moment though any steam loco needs to be capable of doing 32 mile round trip with good haulage capicty

 

Cheers Tom, same situation it finds itself in on the NYMR then, apart from gala weekends when shuttles are running.

 

Yes, heaven forbid having an opinion.

 

http://www.wensleydalerailway.com/html/steam_2011.html

Gives full details for the summer steam services on the Wensleydale Railway.

5643 staying until end of July, with 30777 is staying until end of October.

July

1-3 July, Steam Gala, Supplementary timetable B
All trains will be steam-hauled (30777 and 5643)

9-10 July, Standard (orange) timetable
All trains will be steam-hauled (30777)

16-17 July, Mixed Traction Weekend, Peak (blue) timetable
11:30 and 14:45 ex Leeming Bar, 13:00 and 17:25 ex Redmire (5643)

22-24 July, Standard (orange) timetable,
All trains will be steam-hauled (5643)

25, 26 and 29 July, Peak (blue) timetable)
11:30 and 14:45 ex Leeming Bar (5643)
13:00 and 17:25 ex Redmire

30-31 July, 1940s Weekend, Supplementary timetable B
All trains will be steam-hauled (30777 and 5643)

August

Mondays, Tuesdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, Peak (blue) timetable)
11:30 and 14:45 ex Leeming Bar, 13:00 and 17:25 ex Redmire (30777)

September

2-5 September, Peak (blue) timetable
11:30 and 14:45 ex Leeming Bar, 13:00 and 17:25 ex Redmire (30777)

6-7 September, Standard (orange) timetable
All trains will be steam-hauled (30777)

9-11 September, Standard (orange) timetable
All trains will be steam-hauled (30777)

16-18 September, Standard (orange) timetable,
All trains will be steam-hauled (30777)

30 September, Standard (orange) timetable
All trains will be steam-hauled (30777)

October

1-2 October, Standard (orange) timetable
All trains will be steam-hauled (30777)

7 October, Standard (orange) timetable
All trains will be steam-hauled (30777)

8-9 October, City of Truro visit, Peak (blue) timetable
All trains will be steam-hauled (City of Truro and 30777)

15-16 October, Standard (orange) timetable
All trains will be steam-hauled (30777)

22-23 October, Standard (orange) timetable
All trains will be steam-hauled (30777)

29-30 October, Standard (orange) timetable
All trains will be steam-hauled (30777)

 

Dare I state what I think about this without getting mugged from the we-must-all-love-whatever-happens-on-a-preserved-railway brigade?

 

Say it anyway - it's their blood pressure, not yours! :lol:

 

David, you are, of course, entitled to your opinions, and to spend your money how you wish. However, the way you express your opinions is more problematic and seems calculated to cause offence. I know it's fun to wind up the more partisan enthusiasts (especially the GWR lot ), but that's not how your posts come across. I guess you don't much care what your readers think of you?

As it happens, I think you are wrong in a few historical respects concerning the design of Urie's family of 4-6-0s (H15 mixed traffic, 1914; N15 express, 1919; S15 goods 1920). At the time, they were among the most modern, efficient and versatile locomotives in Britain. Only Eastleigh and Swindon, at that time, were designing standardised families of outside-cylindered 4-6-0s with superheating and long-travel values, and only Urie was using outside Walschaerts valve gear under a high running plate, for ease of maintenance. This became the standard pattern for medium to large locos in the UK, including the Black 5s, B1s and BR Standard classes. What sort of locos were the NER turning out in 1914, when the first H15s appeared? Inside cylindered, un-superheated 0-6-0s and 4-4-0s?

Anyhow, it's your loss. 777 is a fantastic performer, and those who do make the effort to take a ride behind her won't worry whether you are there to enjoy it or not. I'll be on holiday nearby in August and I'm looking forward to my first visit to the Wensleydale line.

 

This is a line that really needs support for events like this. I agree with Steamage - the way you put across perfectly reasonable view that you prefer particular types of locomotives can by jokey and that is fine - but this is a small railway (for all its length) which is really trying to establish itself through this event. You are of course perfectly entitled on a limited budget to skip it and go later in the year, but a bit more support would I am sure be appreciated.

Incidentally the Wensleydale is a line I have not considered visiting before - largely due to the considerable distance from where I live. However a fortunate combination with a weekend visit to Newcastle means I will be passing Northallerton on the way up and will hopefully be popping in on Friday - looking forward to enjoying a trip behind Sir Lamiel!

 

I might just point out that actually the NER were producing large locomotives liek the B16 in 1919, having produced the precedessor B15 (NER S2) in 1911 and modifying the design to be superheated in 1912. These were Raven designs - the NER had 4-6-0s prior to this.

By the time the B16s were being built, plans were being drawn up to electricfy the NER section of the ECML.

Takes nothing from the the Urie/Maunsell designs but things were not quite so far behind as "southerners" might always assume! The 3 cylinder Q7 appeared 1919 I believe and I am pretty sure the Q6s are superheated and pre-dated the Q7s. (I have used LNER classifications in the main as BR continued these and they are probably most familiar).

Steven

 

Hello Steamage, and others. First I acknowledge your entitled to your opinions too. Having them is great and its debate and conversation where we all learn from each other. People take the hobby too seriously, light hearted banter and fun poking comes with the choice of your own favourites and reasons behind choosing them. Yes, saying I'm not happy that 30777 is there goes a bit further, but Im not ruling out a trip to the line in the near future, just that 30777 is not going to be a reason why Id be there. Im going to stick up for the Western lot, as with NER standardisation was what was needed then, but maintain Western engines like north eastern where better than other regions, and looked a damn sight finer for their construction.... but thats a debate for some other area of the forum, not on an area for the Cheese Line....

You dont need a pony truck... 0-X-0 was a brute force and ignorance method of putting weight onto wheels.... the J21, J27, Q5, Q6 were all around at the time of these Southern engines and could pull. The NE region of the LNER was the only one to always turn a profit.... but again... thats for another area....

Meanwhile Raven, or rather Sir Vicent Raven (good engineers get knighted!) was lightyears ahead, with electrification the way forward. Shildon to Newport was electirfied not by 3rd rail but properly with full gantries and infrastucture. He used simplicity when needed, and prowess when it mattered... could you aruge Gresley went backwards by just using steam?! Makes you wonder... but again not for here...

Its not my loss..... If Im there, its becase theres a decent Western tank in unfamiliar territory - yes its wrong, looks odd and out of region, but when its this it comes to choice. I love the whole authentic touch and think when lines complete it by going the extra mile then they both educate and maintain that link with the past thats not always needed in modern preservation as Joe Public most of the time knows no different. Opperations are what drives lines and by getting this steam engine Wensleydale will indeed grow and become more of the heritage line that it has potential to become. I know one or two who are putting in gear effort, especially with the diesels and recently found that they are aiming for something other than the 1950-60s era... FANTASTIC a break from the norm....

I enjoy banter and differences with some, but this is a hobby for sharing and understanding that such choices and opinions make the hobby richer and enjoyable. My freinds of the Black Hat gallery has those Ive met who enjoy such company, who share in chatting about issues, operations and opinions on events both past and present. I do care on how others see me, and know my sometimes impurtunent touch with a keyboard gets mistranslated but is that because everyone looks for criticisms and then stands with blue touch paper or rather they cant read whats there and accept a forum is very much like a conversation and not all of it is meant to be serious. Its nice to meet people off the forum in person when out and about, or from other areas and appriciate these differences and put names to faces. Then we can share and enjoy the hobby more in the future...

 

Well.... I was thinking, that its quite a lot of steam running through out the year, nevermind just summer. Im hoping that the numbers are good for on weekends and justify the need for the steam engine so that the line runs at cost and makes money throughout the year. Theres lots of working of steam right through to October, which would be good for the public to attend. The gala with Truro (worth seeing!) is sure to go down well as an engine with a more historic name brings in more people that are curious and some enthusiasts too. Sensibly I dont think this is going to clash with many events, though it might with something on the NYMR, it doesnt with the Steam shuttles running York-Shildon for the NRM.

The diesel event in September is always popular, and given the lines track record, it ammounts to a great event thats very pro diesel and enthusiast.. though thankfully few of the arm waving nut jobs turn up. This line is getting a reputation quickly for being good for the diesel fraternity which is an area of the market that this line should exploit. Operations and knowledge in the future will mean lines need to encompass diesel groups now... and Wensleydale is a step ahead. By aiming for a different period, other than diesel introduction, steam withdrawal period (which is what Ive heard) the line positions itself as a confident and growing railway with good aspirations and certainly gets my support as such. However, I wonder if steam is needed on such a scale throughout the season, and whether by having so much it is perhaps at a cost of such a loyal diesel support group by enthuiasts. The diesel event was a great success and you just look at how many come when its mentioned what diesels will run and when... I thought more was to be made of the Deltic over the summer... so should be interesting to see how that is publised.

The railway has indeed got huge potential, and strategic assests for future expansion. This year marks its true beginning as a fully fledged and working railway, so I hope it works for them... and when things work out Im sure to be down.

 

latest....

The yard lines are almost sorted...one line will be layed in the winter, but the important thing is the pit line should be finished by Thursday.

Sir Lamiel's support coach was arriving just before I left this evening, and......there is something in the yard



extensive yard work under operation