Weymouth Seaside Express 2013

It's not a 'personal insult', its just a pertinent observation....

 

And you have no idea what the actual lineside was like, unlike me because I was there, so I think I am better qualified to question the decision than you.

 

When you say "lineside", you don't strictly mean that in technical terms of course, do you? You mean the grass beyond the Railway boundary, as you clearly were not trespassing when making that judgement at the specific location you were intending to film.

Another feature of thunderstorms is that they are not universal - as has been noted elsewhere on either this thread or similar ones, some locations gets down-pore others, nothing. Miles away from the relevant area I know, but we got our first proper rain in the value of York for nearly a month (save for one instance overnight a week or so back) at about midnight last night but it had been raining in Leeds much earlier and in West Yorkshire generally a few days earlier.

This and many railtours cover a considerable area and hence when it is soaking in point A, point B near the other end of the run may have had nothing.

Steven

 

I mean line side. It is possible to cross the railway boundary legally.

And the rain last night was widespread over the entire (pretty short) route.

 

Any ideas about the return will it be the same deal ? 33 leading

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Given that little rain is forecast today, and the wind will be drying the undergrowth, it would be pretty perverse to tow the 33 behind, and admitting this mornings choice was wrong.

 

Robbo, just be careful with these sort of posts, theres enough s**t flying around today let alone posts of this sort of magnitude.

NR will have people working today, just as much as Nunney coming off at Yeovil to be turned and serviced was the right call under todays circumstances considering how late the train was.

 

Seen this on wnxx Delays
51 mins BRISTOLTM
Log
SUMMARY: 1Z42 WRONG FORMATION BRI OPERATOR: WEST COAST RAILWAY COMPANY CCIL REF: 1014661 CREW DIAGRAM IF KNOWN: N/A UNIT NUMBER: 5029 CASTLE GWR 98728 98-7MX NUNNEY CASTLE/33207 FULL DETAIL: 08:15 Bristol Signaller reports 1Z82 0820 Bristol TM - Weymouth is incorrectly formed. Train currently has a steam loco on the front with a class 33 diesel on the rear. Diesel traction s hould be behind the steam loco. Signaller instructed not to let 1Z82 depart in current formation. APOLOGIES NUMERICALLY WRONG 1Z82


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34098's post seems to confirm that the issue was not that the diesel needed to be leading, but that it needed to be at the front instead of the back and the delay to get it behind the steam loco would have been even greater.

It is my understanding that this is the basis of the agreement for steam traction at present and it would be a brave signaller and controller who permitted a movement which did not comply with these instructions.

Steven

 

I think ex/current railway employees are brainwashed to slag every other "pure mortal" off on various forums (this is not the only one). What they say goes & nobody else is allowed an opinion, they are just "keyboard warriors" in their self opinionated eyes.

 

Probably not worth getting into a prolonged argument, but I presume you mean at public crossings. Strictly, I suspect this is for the purposes of crossing the line and not photographic purposes but I am sure that would only become an issue if the photographer were too close to the running line or found some distance from the marked crossing.

Steven

 

For what its worth today footage of the outward leg!!!!!



Thanks.

 

You come across as a rude and arrogant person Deriro - and whoever you are, you should show some respect. Whichever way you look at today's events, NR (Wessex/local control) have made a complete ba**s up. As an ex signalman, I along with my colleagues had to regularly seek advice from "control" and thank God it was true long serving railwaymen at control who gave sensible and essential advice (especially important at Taunton where on Summer Saturdays, there were train movements every couple of minutes at peak). I suspect that these controllers are a bunch of ex university graduates with not an ounce of understanding of how the Big Railway works.

This morning's debacle at Temple Meads illustrates the point perfectly. An hour's delay because the right hand didn't know what the left was doing.

Deriro, just except that NR has got this one wrong - and please do not insult Mr Unknown. From what I see of his quality videos, he is someone to respect.

By the way, does anyone know if the Shakespeare Express is running without a diesel today?

 

Pointing out corrections and trying to put decisions in context is not "slagging off". If my questions about lineside presence appear such, they were not intended to be. I am sure that if your line of business was being discussed, you would feel very tempted to correct errors and point out what it is like on "the other side of the fence" (please forgive the pun!)

Clearly, a signaller and a controller have seen instructions that the diesel must be at the front (but not necessarily leading). They have not seen instructions to the contrary. To expect them to permit anything else would be like expecting a policeman to accept that because a motorist was speeding, the speed limit must have been temporarily suspended. It's not going to happen, and in the modern litigious world, it is a simple fact not some-one being a jobsworth.

Steven

 

I've read on a gen group (so by all means take that pinch of salt) by someone who is usually pretty accurate in what they say, that NR had allowed the 33 inside. WCRC stuck the 33 on front, rather than do the shunt and possibly occur even more penalties. Don't treat it as gospel just another version of events. If half true then I'd expect to see Nunney up front and the 33 inside for the return.

Hope the weather is good for the passengers in Weymouth today.

EDIT Just seen 34098's post #168

 

I fail to see why someone who takes nice videos deserves 'respect'. Anyway, by the looks of the latest posts it seems NR issued an instruction that WCRC couldn't be bothered to read or follow, hence the balls up. Perhaps Mr Nice Video man might like to apologise for slating off NR controllers.

 

Perhaps they have more of an idea of how todays railway works (or doesn't) compared to some whining fools on a train spotting forum.
You can have an opinion, you just have to accept it's probably wrong.

 

Hey guys.

Only a suggestion. But maybe a break from the keyboard will let things cool down a bit.

It's a nice day out there, and perhaps a bit of time in the garden would be time well spent.

It would be sad to see regulars here get into the situation where they start posting things they might regret later.

Come back here just after the return train has left and see what the motive power situation is then?

And if the steam loco is on the front, with or without diesel help, then maybe that will be something to enjoy.

 

At least the trains running. For me I don't fancy cycling 10 miles to see the 33 on the front. But there's 3 more Weymouths so there's always another day

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Yes I meant public crossing, as it happens I didn't end up filming from there, but I certainly checked one or two out immediately before hand (tho I did end up filming on a grass/gravel part of a platform as my wet trouser bottoms will testify) Personally I consider a lineside crossing fair game, it is a right of way after all, as long as its not abused by wandering up and down the lineside.