WHR General Discussion.

That`s why unlike you I ain`t gonna bother...
Still be interested to hear from some of the people on here that are "in the know" if the WHR/FR are on target to triple their income this season? I know there are plenty of people saying trains are full which is an excellent sign, but how does the income stack up against the costs of running/staffing the trains and future maintenance and improvements? Maybe it`s too early but there must be an educated guess available as to how the season/income is panning out over both railways?

 

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We'll have to wait for the figures but i think the most encouraging thing about this season is that with the extensions, and recession, in mind the timetable for both lines was specifically written so that the train-miles didnt increase. Therefore the slight increase in running and fuel costs over last year will be easily paid for by the huge increase in passenger numbers and crucially revenue - i was very happy to read that after the initial openings to Beddgelert and Hafod-y-Llyn, that a lot of the new passengers are riding the whole line and not just through the pass.

Chris

 

WAG: "Now Mr Renovater, could you tell us a little about your North Wales Light Rail Transit proposal?"

Renovater: "If you would like to know, I have been very surprised at the good response I've found so far."

WAG: "Yes, but the details?"

Renovater: "This is a serious subject, so if this is going to turn into a slanging match again, don't bother."

WAG: "Mr Renovater, you must appreciate that in order to consider your proposal, you must supply us with detailed technical and financial data and show us your business plan."

Renovater: "You are all wasting your time, these proposals are going ahead regardless."

WAG: "Err, I think you'll find that nothing will go ahead without the approval of the WAG and that until you can come up with some concrete plans showing expected traffic figures and costings, no progress can be made."

Renovater: "Obviously I was right when I wrote that this subject was beyond the scope of this place."

WAG: "Mr Renovater, for the last time, do you have anything you can show us?"

Renovater: "I think I will leave it there!!!"

WAG: "Goodbye Mr Renovater. Don't let the door hit your backside on the way out."

 

With respect. I know just how much it's going to hurt after all the hard work you have put into the rebuilding of the WHR, i do understand, but it was you who originally asked for information about the North Wales Light Rail Transit system being proposed, for which i have given willingly, albeit in it's basic outline, i think you've got what you asked for. I am thinking of the general public and for the general good, i believe totally in this project and there is nothing i have seen in this debate that would give me cause to think otherwise, as for the fact that the re-construction of the WHR is turning out to be a complete fiasco, with endless disputes with the WHHR and now the local authorities plus insults and the like, i just know i'm onto a winner. As i have stated before, regarding this site, i would like to leave the subject of the tramway where it is for the momment. At least your work will not have been wasted, the public will have a super tramway system running over the track you built, something you will be proud of in years to come. R

 

Enter stage right : Men in white coats with the strains of "they're coming to take me away" playing in the background.

 

There really is no need to feel frustrated, there's nothing you can do about it anyway. You are just bringing this debate down.

 

Dear Master Renovater,
No frustration here at all but thank you for your concern. I'm undecided as to whether you are a wind up merchant par excellence or in possession of an evangelical zeal that makes even the most ardent Jehova's Witness seem like Doubting Thomas. Either way your postings have been hugely entertaining and an amusing interlude away from the real world.
Live long and prosper.

 

I am not sure this debate is very high in the first place.

 

With respect. I do agree.R

 

Thanks and the same to you. The proposals are for real by the way, there's a whole lot happening elsewhere on this subject !!

 

To quote the latest edition of the FR/WHR(C) volunteer newsletter (GIM 194):

Page 1: "It is pleasing to report that the FR traffic figures were 19% up in July and the WHR(C) an amazing 198% up."

Page 25: "Interestingly, with Hafod y Llyn being at sea level, WHR fuel costs have almost doubled."

 

Why do I get a sense of 'I've heard this kind of thing before' when another narrow gauge railway which I am not to mention on here was discussed?

Ian

 

Myself and many people I know would not travel or even bother to look at your stupid tramway, the re consruction of the WHR has not turned out to be a fasico, why don't you go back from where you came from and stew in your own little fantasy world, a lot of money has been spent on the WHR and if you think the Welsh Assembly is going to waste money tearing up the trackwork to run a piddling tram dream on, just think of the passengers a 9 coach train can carry compared to a tram car, LAUGH!!!LAUGH!!! LAUGH!!!

 

With respect, i think you are a little mixed up, i would suggest you read again what i have written. R

 

To all concerned, I must apologise for my earlier indecision. He does not need to get out more...

 

No you didn't, John gave us the information.

Ok then how about this, if this scheme, by some sort of act of evil, or evil miracle, starts to progress, then literally thousands of people will want to see you and any other nutter who thinks it's a good idea, shot.

No it won't the only reason railways like this work as a form of hellishly slow public transport is because they are hauled by steam engines and are therefore a tourist attraction.

It would reduce the amount of tourists who want to visit North Wales, tell me, why the WAG are going to support that?

 

To be fair, Will, I gleaned it from the half explained postings from Renovator, and the teased out speculation, confirmed by Renovator, that was posted on here. It wasn't from my own head.

John

 

In fact to take it back further Renovator refused to tell us anything about this silly tramway idea because he was worried people would 'disect it'. Its only because 'lostlogin' just happened to post an idea identical to his that we finally found out.

I have to say im struggling to see the point of this thread - page after page of unanswered questions about a tramway scheme that has little to do with the thread topic. If renovator wants to talk about his tramway he can start his own thread, but he keeps saying he doesnt. Surely then this thread has run its course?

Chris

 

I think not....
I`m beginning to wonder if Rennie could be a troll from the WHR/FR management, trying deflect people away from other issues.
A few posts back it was quoted from the WHR/FR volunteer newsletter that WHR passenger figures have nearly doubled. Congratulations. But it then goes on to say since the extension to Hafod Y Llyn their fuel costs have also doubled.
This could potentially be the best season the WHR are going to have, what with the public opening through Aberglaslyn and the recession keeping families holidaying in the UK rather than abroad.
So we are back to the original question, are they going to survive?

 

There are one or two narrow gauge railways that are experiencing difficulties at this time neither of which are managed by the Ffestiniog Railway. There are also one or two new projects who's future seems in the balance, dare I suggest that perhaps your energies might be better directed at resolving issues closer to home rather than trying to find problems where they do not exist?